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Hey guys so im doing a CAD/gaming build for a client but i wanted to double check this build before i send out the parts list to get it finalized today. (kinda feel like im forgetting something)

But in terms of a system this what i came up with as a proposal where the total budget is to be $3000 (think the total is coming out to about $3100 after tax [10%])

Cpu: 2600k (~$290)- 2600
Mobo: P8Z68-V or the P8Z68 DELUXE (~$99 -150 mirocenter)
Ram: Corsair 8gb (2x4gb) vengeance(~$50)
HDD: samsung f3 1tb (x2 raid 1) + M4 64gb SSD (~$225 for all 3)
GPU: tri-sli msi GTX 570 Twin Frozr III ($1000) 3x gtx 480's ($750)? Post
PSU: Antec TPQ-1200 ($150)
Cooling: Corsair H80 ($95)
Sound: asus xonar DX ($50)
Case: HAF X, 800D, or RV03 (allotted $2-300)
Monitor: Acer GD235HZbid (x2 dual screen set up) ($750)

The client said yesterday that he wanted to do rendering and such mostly on the cpu and a bit lighter on the video card. but wanted to get as much "gaming processing power" as possible (with nvidia) for the money.

Thoughts on this set up would be greatly appreciated, If i should switch out any parts it would be good to hear

Thanks
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Remove the 470's and any other GTX card for Cad.

Trust me it runs like **** rendering doesn't even compare with the quadro 2000 I have a 570 and a quadro.

Trust me buy both a 570 and a quadro 2000. You will regret a geforce gaming card for cad.

TRUST ME, dont use a geforce for cad the performance is horrible compared to my quadro, unfortunatly lol we have chosen two different things that need specific cards, cad runs very laggy with autocad but it games like a boss, the quadro runs like a boss with autocad but bad with games.

There is no in between card unfortunatly, get the quadro 2000 and up if you want to spend more money and a GTX 560Ti or GTX 570 for gaming. you wont regret it. I have this setup and it dominates both aspects. You obviously cant game and render at the same time though.
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I would definitely second going for 16gb of ram. Solidworks,(at least 2009/2010) eats ram for breakfast, especially if you start using things like featureworks or import diagnostics on complicated pieces. If you are working on large assemblies, it probably won't be a case of will your computer run out of ram, it will probably be a case of how fast does your ram run out.

Likewise, this is why having a really fast drive to put your swap file on will be very nice.

The other thing about solidworks 2009/2010(haven't tested any newer) and programs like Vue is that they determine your graphics cards capabilities based on their name, so if you get a gaming card, rename the card to an equivalent quadro or firepro in the .inf files before driver installation, and make windows uses your tweaked driver, you pretty much get all the fantastic fun of a quadro with none of the pricetag of a quadro, and none of the hassle of doing a softmod/firmmod.
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hey... just to clear up a few things... none of these programs will naively run on anything but workstation GPUs... however, there is a way to reroute the power from the CPU to the GPUs (though they are much less effective)... when you do this you are just as relient on CUDA cores (works better on them then ATI stream processors) as you are RAM... i would also get him 16GBs of RAM, and would look into some 6 core prosessors and drop a GPU or 2... i will post a build in a little bit (dinner first )... as for the hotswap, that is a great idea... i use them for all sorts of projects like that
Solidworks certainly works on even consumer integrated graphics, although that's a bad idea. I can't speak for Autocad or Matlab, they should be functional on a non-workstation card.

Some very CPU intensive bits of Solidworks(2010) are not multithreaded, although hopefully the newer versions have resolved that. Unless you can find a hexacore cpu that has the same per core performance of a 2600k, you are better off not running a hexacore for actual solidworks modeling work.
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I would definitely second going for 16gb of ram. Solidworks,(at least 2009/2010) eats ram for breakfast, especially if you start using things like featureworks or import diagnostics on complicated pieces. If you are working on large assemblies, it probably won't be a case of will your computer run out of ram, it will probably be a case of how fast does your ram run out.

Likewise, this is why having a really fast drive to put your swap file on will be very nice.

The other thing about solidworks 2009/2010(haven't tested any newer) and programs like Vue is that they determine your graphics cards capabilities based on their name, so if you get a gaming card, rename the card to an equivalent quadro or firepro in the .inf files before driver installation, and make windows uses your tweaked driver, you pretty much get all the fantastic fun of a quadro with none of the pricetag of a quadro, and none of the hassle of doing a softmod/firmmod.
exactly... the only problem is they still dont work quite as well as quadros and don perform well in gaming because of the driver

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Solidworks certainly works on even consumer integrated graphics, although that's a bad idea. I can't speak for Autocad or Matlab, they should be functional on a non-workstation card.

Some very CPU intensive bits of Solidworks(2010) are not multithreaded, although hopefully the newer versions have resolved that. Unless you can find a hexacore cpu that has the same per core performance of a 2600k, you are better off not running a hexacore for actual solidworks modeling work.
by that idea a 6 core is better because more threads and it doesnt rely on HT... also, rendering time is much lower o hex-core because of the more threads, its just the load times wont change much
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hey... just to clear up a few things... none of these programs will naively run on anything but workstation GPUs... however, there is a way to reroute the power from the CPU to the GPUs (though they are much less effective)... when you do this you are just as relient on CUDA cores (works better on them then ATI stream processors) as you are RAM... i would also get him 16GBs of RAM, and would look into some 6 core prosessors and drop a GPU or 2... i will post a build in a little bit (dinner first )... as for the hotswap, that is a great idea... i use them for all sorts of projects like that
hmmm... so do these programs run on cpu and gpu at the same time or just run on the cpu or the gpu? just wondering. But i was going to shy away from a 6 core due to the large cost and the 1366 socket is soon to be replaced. where from benches the 2600k will work by maybe take a bit longer then a 6 core (but still faster then alot of other cpus)

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Remove the 470's and any other GTX card for Cad.

Trust me it runs like **** rendering doesn't even compare with the quadro 2000 I have a 570 and a quadro.

Trust me buy both a 570 and a quadro 2000. You will regret a geforce gaming card for cad.

*snip*h.
480's not 470's anyways but earlyer in the thread i mentioned that i asked him if he wanted to go quadro but he told me know, i did tell him it would give him better performance in these programs. He wanted to run the programs on his cpu rather then use a professional card (so the cpu would be more rendering intensive/computational and the gpus more gaming oriented )

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I would definitely second going for 16gb of ram. Solidworks,(at least 2009/2010) eats ram for breakfast, especially if you start using things like featureworks or import diagnostics on complicated pieces. If you are working on large assemblies, it probably won't be a case of will your computer run out of ram, it will probably be a case of how fast does your ram run out.

Likewise, this is why having a really fast drive to put your swap file on will be very nice.

The other thing about solidworks 2009/2010(haven't tested any newer) and programs like Vue is that they determine your graphics cards capabilities based on their name, so if you get a gaming card, rename the card to an equivalent quadro or firepro in the .inf files before driver installation, and make windows uses your tweaked driver, you pretty much get all the fantastic fun of a quadro with none of the pricetag of a quadro, and none of the hassle of doing a softmod/firmmod.
ah good to hear so 16gb would be the way to go, any idea how many gigs an "average" project might eat up? p.s. welcome to ocn
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here is my recommended build:

CPU: i7-970 $549.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115066
more power for faster rendering

Mobo: ASUS x58 sabertooth $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131665
great board and has a great built in sound card

RAM: 24GB (6x4GB) 1600MHz G.skill $164.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231359
24GBs will help with CAD and 1600MHz is better for gaming

PSU: Corsair TX750 V2 $109.99
http://www.overclock.net/newreply.ph...eply&t=1149827
gives plety of head room (max system wattage is 624W)

GPU (gaming): EVGA GTX 570 2560 MB $394.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130687
will handle 2 monitors just fine and game well

GPU (rendering): PNY Quadro 2000D $449.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814133382
renders realy well for the price

SSD: 2x M4 64BG RAID 1 $109.99 ea
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148441
RAID1 for redundancy, and one copy that you can take with you for back up

HDD: x2 (x4) samsung 1TB F3 RAID 1 (RAID 10) $59.99 ea
http://www.frys.com/product/6473452?...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG
RAID 1 for redundancy of storage (RAID 10 for fast redundancy)

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best air cooling case on the market

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great cooler for the money and should give decent OC

Grand total: $2649.59 ($2769.97) before tax and shipping

this also has a total of $45 in mail in rebates... lasty, he just needs monitors... there is realy no point in 120Hz monitors for his purposes... you could find some good 1080p monitors for around $150-200 ea and still easily keep it under 3k... well, good luck
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hmmm... so do these programs run on cpu and gpu at the same time or just run on the cpu or the gpu? just wondering. But i was going to shy away from a 6 core due to the large cost and the 1366 socket is soon to be replaced. where from benches the 2600k will work by maybe take a bit longer then a 6 core (but still faster then alot of other cpus)
you can set it either way... also, the 6 core way out performs the 2600k in programs that support 6 cores (like almost every CAD program out there) and the extra cache helps a lot if you want to do other basic things wile rendering... also, it may be being replaced soon, but it is still faster than 2600k in CAD and rendering... so imo, it doesnt matter that it is EOL, because it still performs better then the other options

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480's not 470's anyways but earlyer in the thread i mentioned that i asked him if he wanted to go quadro but he told me know, i did tell him it would give him better performance in these programs. He wanted to run the programs on his cpu rather then use a professional card (so the cpu would be more rendering intensive/computational and the gpus more gaming oriented )
have you asked about one beast gaming card and a minor quadro so that he gets the best of both worlds? this is the best option IMO

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ah good to hear so 16gb would be the way to go, any idea how many gigs an "average" project might eat up? p.s. welcome to ocn
lol... didnt catch that... welcome ... and anywhere from 512MBs to far more than 48GBs depending on the detail and scale... an average project would probably use around 8, but you don't want to cut it that close

NOTE: sry about the double post, but it looks neater to keep the build separate
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ah good to hear so 16gb would be the way to go, any idea how many gigs an "average" project might eat up? p.s. welcome to ocn
That's all going to depend on what you are doing. your best bet to figure that out is to ultimately ask him what the scale of the projects he is working on.
For example, in my project of modding my desktops graphics cards cooling setup, I am going to make a generic CAD of the graphics card cooling system to figure out fitting ahead of time. Two gigs of ram would probably be plenty for such a job.
Another example is a competition robot that I was working on and designing. this robot had way over 1000 distinct parts, and was at the limits of the 8gb of ram my desktop had. Once you stick on all the little bits like bolts..... I couldn't tell you more than that because I never actually looked at those numbers when it was all put together.
If he is really doing crazy crazy large projects, he is never going to have enough RAM, and so might want to invest in a non-consumer motherboard or get some crazy RAID setup for swap files.

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you can set it either way... also, the 6 core way out performs the 2600k in programs that support 6 cores (like almost every CAD program out there) and the extra cache helps a lot if you want to do other basic things wile rendering... also, it may be being replaced soon, but it is still faster than 2600k in CAD and rendering... so imo, it doesnt matter that it is EOL, because it still performs better then the other options
I can tell your for a fact from real world use that only the end visual rendering parts are well threaded. Also if you see Solidworks' page on configuring workstations, they state:
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SolidWorks and some of the add-ons (PhotoView 360) have some multithreaded capabilities, which means’ the application takes advantage of the second processor or multi cores. But rebuilds are single threaded and therefore rebuilds will not be faster, in general terms, with more multi CPUs or cores.
Quite a bit of Solidworks is not multithreaded, and a hexacore that is 30 percent faster in multithreaded applications than a quad core is going to be overall slower in Solidworks. Ultimately, stay away from a CPU socket that is not going to be future upgradeable. Turbo boost will also be quite useful in those lightly threaded situations.
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That's all going to depend on what you are doing. your best bet to figure that out is to ultimately ask him what the scale of the projects he is working on.
For example, in my project of modding my desktops graphics cards cooling setup, I am going to make a generic CAD of the graphics card cooling system to figure out fitting ahead of time. Two gigs of ram would probably be plenty for such a job.
Another example is a competition robot that I was working on and designing. this robot had way over 1000 distinct parts, and was at the limits of the 8gb of ram my desktop had. Once you stick on all the little bits like bolts..... I couldn't tell you more than that because I never actually looked at those numbers when it was all put together.
If he is really doing crazy crazy large projects, he is never going to have enough RAM, and so might want to invest in a non-consumer motherboard or get some crazy RAID setup for swap files.



I can tell your for a fact from real world use that only the end visual rendering parts are well threaded. Also if you see Solidworks' page on configuring workstations, they state:

Quite a bit of Solidworks is not multithreaded, and a hexacore that is 30 percent faster in multithreaded applications than a quad core is going to be overall slower in Solidworks. Ultimately, stay away from a CPU socket that is not going to be future upgradeable. Turbo boost will also be quite useful in those lightly threaded situations.
I'm not saying. I don't believe u, but I'm having trouble understanding y a 2600k would be faster in the program... Even if HT is t supported, a 6 core still has 6 threads to work with where as the 2600k has 4... Sry just confusing me... And I personally have always used workstation boards, CPUs and GPUs for stuff like this... so I'm sry of anything I said was wrong, but I don't believe it was

EDIT: got it... Sry... I misread at first and it also doesn't help tht I only tend to work with maya and 3D max that are realy well multithreaded aplications
Edited by eskamobob1 - 10/24/11 at 11:43pm
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Since your client had budget of $3000 I suggested to go with 2x gtx590.
Athough to be honest,like others said 2x gtx570 is more than enough.
If you are keen on getting gtx570 I give you two option:
1st choice> evga gtx570 classified (highest clocked gtx570 right now)
2nd choice> msi gtx570 twin frozrIII
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