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And we've been over this, too. Just because the term 'Dominion' was used as a descriptor, that doesn't make it part of the legal name.

Ireland was a dominion, yet was not called The Dominion of Ireland.
Ireland was never a dominion. It was part of the United Kingdom (until 1922). After that (until complete independence in 1949), we were part of the Commonwealth, but were treated the same as a dominion country (like Canada; Canada was always the country that period in Ireland was compared to).
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The Irish Free State set up in 1922, after the Anglo-Irish War was the first Dominion to appoint a non-British, non-aristocratic Governor-General, when Timothy Michael Healy took the position in 1922. Dominion status was never popular in the Irish Free State where people saw it as a face-saving measure for a British government unable to countenance a republic in what had previously been the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Successive Irish governments undermined the constitutional links with Britain, until they were severed completely in 1949. In 1937 Ireland adopted, almost simultaneously, both a new constitution that included powers for a President of Ireland and a law confirming the king's role of head of state in external relations.
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My mistake.

However, the very quote you brought along says we "severed completely" from Britain in 1949. Meaning "dominion" is not longer legal.

Thanks for backing that up for me.
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The fact of the matter is that it's legal name never was The Dominion of Ireland; it was the Irish Free State.

Much like Canada.
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You're comparing different things.

Canada was a dominion of Britain; it was known as one of its dominions. Thus, it's fair to say "dominion" is a legal term to descibe Canada (since it was never removed). That can be in the form of "The Dominion of Canada", or my new default "Canada: The Dominion".

However, Ireland at that time was only known by name as The Irish Free State; it might have been a dominion, but when referenced, was always either Ireland (as part of the UK, in much the same way as you'd say Wales or Scotland), or The Irish Free State.

Now, find me a document that refered to Ireland as "the dominion" (not just a dominion), and you'll have a point.

(But I should warn you; even if you do have a point, I'll still win. Because the Irish consitution removed all previous British laws, whereas your Act did not.)
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Now, find me a document that refered to Ireland as "the dominion" (not just a dominion), and you'll have a point.

(But I should warn you; even if you do have a point, I'll still win. Because the Irish consitution removed all previous British laws, whereas your Act did not.)
Not necessary; the fact that it was a dominion gives my argument the upper hand.

Much like our 1982 Constitution makes no mention of "Dominion", while maintaining the... essence.. of prior documents (if not the exact wording).

The assertion that Canada needs to make a constitutional amendment to remove a title that doesn't appear in the current Act that is in power is silly; it is a movement by Monarchists to keep the Queen as our head of state (among other things).

Canada was a dominion, Ireland was a dominion. Neither one has an actual legal name including the word "Dominion", even if one or the other is occasionally called by it.
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Canada was a dominion, Ireland was a dominion. Neither one has an actual legal name including the word "Dominion", even if one or the other is occasionally called by it.
Incorrect; you yourself posted this earlier:

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Originally Posted by mach1 said it
Some still read the BNA Act passage as specifying this phrase – rather than Canada alone – as the name. The term Dominion of Canada does not appear in the 1867 act nor in the Constitution Act, 1982 but does appear in the Constitution Act, 1871, other contemporaneous texts, and subsequent bills. References to the Dominion of Canada in later acts, such as the Statute of Westminster, do not clarify the point because all nouns were formally capitalised in British legislative style.
Clear proof that "Dominion of Canada" was a legal term, and since it has not been removed by neither British nor Canadian Act, can still be used legally.
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That quote is taken out of context from the remainder of the discussion. We found through further research that it is the wikipedia article author's opinion that any of that matters.

The Act that is in power makes absolutely no mention of a legal name "The Dominion of Canada".
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That quote is taken out of context from the remainder of the discussion. We found through further research that it is the wikipedia article author's opinion that any of that matters.

The Act that is in power makes absolutely no mention of a legal name "The Dominion of Canada".
The author's opinion is irrelevent; the Act clearly mentions the term:
http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/C...h/ca_1871.html

As for your second part, it might not mention the term, but that doesn't mean it isn't legal. It just means "Canada" is.
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