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Originally Posted by Eugenester;15427115 
By directional, he means the frequencies coming from the sub. Subwoofers should handle only low frequencies, which are omnidirectional (this is a simplified explanation). Around 80hz is where sound starts to become directional, meaning you can tell where it is coming from. For music-only applications you might be able to get away with it but in a HT system, you want explosions and whatnot to envelop your space.

For surround, 5.1 > 2.1. Yes, there are DSP programs that can (very well) mimic surround (like some soundbars) but the laws of physics sides with a 6-speaker system.

Now as for getting a subwoofer or not, there are quite a few bookshelf/floorstanding speakers with nice output to 60hz. My advice would be to check out a few bookshelves to see if you can live with their bass output until you can afford a nice subwoofer. Saving up for a nice sub makes all the difference.

Would the $800 budget include the price of the TX-NR609 (~$400)?

edit: dammit pio beat me to it >.>

Um no. Well I am hoping to get the NR609 for around 300 if there is a sale, or if i feel the pinch, I might downgrade to a AV reciever like Yamahas 371. so bigger bookshelves will be better? at least till i can afford a good sub. I am a bass head so i suppose i should hold off on the 5.1 HT system till i can afford a better Woofer.
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Originally Posted by edo101;15427219 
Um no. Well I am hoping to get the NR609 for around 300 if there is a sale, or if i feel the pinch, I might downgrade to a AV reciever like Yamahas 371. so bigger bookshelves will be better? at least till i can afford a good sub. I am a bass head so i suppose i should hold off on the 5.1 HT system till i can afford a better Woofer.

I really recommend saving up for a good sub (whether commercial or DIY). Bigger doesn't always equal better just means there's more speaker mass for bass extension. But anyways, I'd go with a nice 5 channel system for now.
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You'll still have the same problem. Those Energy speakers will only extend down to about 120Hz. So your subwoofer will still have to make that up.

Bi-amp, is honestly an overrated term. There's no difference between bi-amp and hooking them up regularly.

Haha wow I don't even understand what that means lol in terms of performance. typically do I want speakers that extend past 120hz?

you mentioned 120hz as a crossover point, what do you mean by that? Are you saying the Energy system doesnt quite cover the typical frequency range of movies/music?
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Originally Posted by Eugenester;15427259 
I really recommend saving up for a good sub (whether commercial or DIY). Bigger doesn't always equal better just means there's more speaker mass for bass extension. But anyways, I'd go with a nice 5 channel system for now.

such as the ones comprising of the speakers Pioneer linked or the Energy Classic system?
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Originally Posted by edo101;15427271 
such as the ones comprising of the speakers Pioneer linked or the Energy Classic system?

Yeah.
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Originally Posted by edo101;15427260 
Haha wow I don't even understand what that means lol in terms of performance. typically do I want speakers that extend past 120hz?

you mentioned 120hz as a crossover point, what do you mean by that? Are you saying the Energy system doesnt quite cover the typical frequency range of movies/music?

Crossover, or LFE as it is called in some places, refers to the cut off where all frequencies below a certain point are sent to a dedicated subwoofer channel. Ideally, you want speakers with as wide a frequency spectrum as possible. Once you start needing LFE above 100Hz music gets really boomy IMHO.

Heck I'm auditioning some near-field speakers that supposedly only have a 120Hz-10,000Hz range by Sony...and I'm liking their frequency range and response better than my B652s that were supposedly 70Hz-20kHz, even without a dedicated woofer channel to take the bass. At the end of the day it is what you are doing and how it sounds that is important rather than numbers....OTOH, I'm sitting near-field (5 ft away or less), and the B652s are intended for ~15ft listening range.
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Haha wow I don't even understand what that means lol in terms of performance. typically do I want speakers that extend past 120hz?

you mentioned 120hz as a crossover point, what do you mean by that? Are you saying the Energy system doesnt quite cover the typical frequency range of movies/music?

Yes, you definitely want your speakers to extend past 120hz. Speakers that can't usually sound tinny and don't have that "oompf" factor.

Crossover point means the frequency that divides the frequencies going to the subwoofer and bookshelves. For example, if your sub can play 20-120hz, and your bookshelves 55hz-22khz, you want to "cross" your sub at 70-80hz to get a happy medium. That means only frequencies 70hz and lower will be played on the subwoofer and the higher frequencies will be handled by the bookshelves.
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what about these ^^
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Grab the BIC Venturi setup without the subwoofer (get the towers, the 6.5" or the 8" towers). Buy the Formula F1 subwoofer later.

Being a basshead, you will appreciate the F1. And wanting a good HT setup, you'll appreciate the slightly larger speakers. Trust me, even those 6.5" towers will be "enough" bass for most things, and extend plenty low enough already.
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^will do. I want to understand the frequency crossover thingy a bit more though. I read it fast w/o really understanding it.

btw would that Onkyo reciever be good enough to power they bic speakers well? it is 7x100W
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR609-Channel-Certified-Receiver/dp/B004O0TRD8/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1319423703&sr=1-1"]Amazon.com: Onkyo TX-NR609 7.2 Channel Network THX Certified A/V Receiver: Electronics[/ame]

^onkyo reciever
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