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Again, the satellites only go to 120h0.z A general rule of thumb for home theater is to stay away from HTiB (home theater in a box) and satellite speakers.

Entry level bookshelf systems could be

Polk Monitors Series:
Monitor 40 - $120
CS2 - $150
Monitor 30 - $90

HSU:
2x HB-1 Mk. 2 - $300 front
HC-1 Mk. 2 -$250
Monitor 30/40 - $90/120 surrounds

BIC Venturi system shown by Pioneer

There are other options.

The Polk Monitor series is a budget favorite.
Edited by Eugenester - 10/23/11 at 8:05pm
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the speakers seem the need more powah especially that F1 sub than the reciever can supply. the [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR609-Channel-Certified-Receiver/dp/B004O0TRD8/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1319423703&sr=1-1"]Amazon.com: Onkyo TX-NR609 7.2 Channel Network THX Certified A/V Receiver: Electronics[/ame]

onkyo that is, or is that enough for it. I linke the 609 because of how many features it packs with it for the price
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Originally Posted by Eugenester;15427490 
Again, the satellites only go to 120h0.z A general rule of thumb for home theater is to stay away from HTiB (home theater in a box) and satellite speakers.

Entry level bookshelf systems could be

Polk Monitors Series:
Monitor 40 - $120
CS2 - $150
Monitor 30 - $90

HSU:
2x HB-1 Mk. 2 - $300
HC-1 Mk. 2 -$250
Monitor 30/40 - $90/120

BIC Venturi system shown by Pioneer

There are other options.

The Polk Monitor series is a budget favorite.

yeah I am getting the BIC system and the F1 later down the road
post #23 of 75
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Originally Posted by edo101;15427458 
^will do. I want to understand the frequency crossover thingy a bit more though. I read it fast w/o really understanding it.

btw would that Onkyo reciever be good enough to power they bic speakers well? it is 7x100W

Yes, the receiver will do fine. Make sure it has all the connections you'll need though. wink.gif

Frequency response is important. We're focusing on the lower end (bass and mid bass).

Subwoofers should do 20Hz - 80Hz as the highest (the lower you can get away with on the high end, the better). If you could use 60Hz, that would be even better. The reason why, is because once you get around 80Hz or so, you can start hearing exactly where the subwoofer is placed, and it throws off the entire sound.

For speakers, you want them to extend into the 50Hz range or lower. This way, the subwoofer can pick up around that sweet 60Hz point and below, and the speakers will do 60Hz and above.

Subwoofer Bass = 20-80Hz (as the highest)
Speakers bass (mid bass) = 80-250Hz, and its directional, meaning you can hear where the sound is coming from.

So optimally you want that 80Hz "crossover point", or where the subwoofer stops and where the speakers pick up at (its set on your receiver). The lower that crossover point can be, the better. I use 60Hz on mine personally, that's just where my speakers and subwoofer react the best. Yours (with the BIC speakers) will be very similar, you'll want a 60Hz point with those BIC speakers.
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud;15427204 
Bi-amp, is honestly an overrated term. There's no difference between bi-amp and hooking them up regularly.

This isn't true at all. OK, if we're only talking about low-end bookshelfs then sure but if you have floor standings, or high end, there is a huge difference. Or if you have a lower powered receiver.

OP the 609 is an amazing receiver. I'd aim to get that and a nicer 2.1 setup. Then throw in some crappy rear speakers. Because of space constraints I ended up with some $30 rear speakers. They do the job because they only handle surround.

The sub has its own amp, the recover sends a passive signal.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by edo101;15427496 
the speakers seem the need more powah especially that F1 sub than the reciever can supply. the Amazon.com: Onkyo TX-NR609 7.2 Channel Network THX Certified A/V Receiver: Electronics

onkyo that is, or is that enough for it. I linke the 609 because of how many features it packs with it for the price



yeah I am getting the BIC system and the F1 later down the road

The F1 subwoofer is a powered subwoofer. It has its own amplifier. The receiver has nothing at all to do with subwoofer power.
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the speakers seem the need more powah especially that F1 sub than the reciever can supply. the Amazon.com: Onkyo TX-NR609 7.2 Channel Network THX Certified A/V Receiver: Electronics

onkyo that is, or is that enough for it. I linke the 609 because of how many features it packs with it for the price



yeah I am getting the BIC system and the F1 later down the road

Subwoofers come with their own amplifier, and I doubt you need more than 32 watts of amplification for each speaker. The Onkyo is rated 100WPC, thought it's probably closer to 85-90 if using all channels.

Could I suggest that you save to buy a more expensive subwoofer?
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Originally Posted by Eugenester;15427528 
Subwoofers come with their own amplifier, and I doubt you need more than 32 watts of amplification for each speaker. The Onkyo is rated 100WPC, thought it's probably closer to 85-90 if using all channels.

Could I suggest that you save to buy a more expensive subwoofer?

wait you mean buy a cheaper reciever and buy a more expensive woofer than the F1? I do want to buy that reciever regardless. its the most complete reciever for the price I have found
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wait you mean buy a cheaper reciever and buy a more expensive woofer than the F1? I do want to buy that reciever regardless. its the most complete reciever for the price I have found

Don't cheap out on the receiver if you can avoid it. The receiver is going to be the heart of your system. You don't need anything SUPER fancy, but the one you've picked is absolutely solid. I actually kind of wish I had that one instead of my Yamaha.

The F1 is a great budget subwoofer. A more expensive one would be nice, but you stated a relatively tight budget of $800. The F1 fits nicely into that budget with good budget speakers. I would proudly own another F1 if I had the cash and need for it.
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wait you mean buy a cheaper reciever and buy a more expensive woofer than the F1? I do want to buy that reciever regardless. its the most complete reciever for the price I have found

You can keep the receiver. I'm just suggesting you don't buy the F12 and instead buy something more expensive.
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud;15427508 
Yes, the receiver will do fine. Make sure it has all the connections you'll need though. wink.gif

Frequency response is important. We're focusing on the lower end (bass and mid bass).

Subwoofers should do 20Hz - 80Hz as the highest (the lower you can get away with on the high end, the better). If you could use 60Hz, that would be even better. The reason why, is because once you get around 80Hz or so, you can start hearing exactly where the subwoofer is placed, and it throws off the entire sound.

For speakers, you want them to extend into the 50Hz range or lower. This way, the subwoofer can pick up around that sweet 60Hz point and below, and the speakers will do 60Hz and above.

Subwoofer Bass = 20-80Hz (as the highest)
Speakers bass (mid bass) = 80-250Hz, and its directional, meaning you can hear where the sound is coming from.

So optimally you want that 80Hz "crossover point", or where the subwoofer stops and where the speakers pick up at (its set on your receiver). The lower that crossover point can be, the better. I use 60Hz on mine personally, that's just where my speakers and subwoofer react the best. Yours (with the BIC speakers) will be very similar, you'll want a 60Hz point with those BIC speakers.

I am assuming that you set this through the reciever then and that the BIC can perform like yours?

someone said to get a better 2.1 setup and add crappy satellite speakers for surround. is this better or should I just stick with BIC all around. I will buy the F1 later though. I DO WANT THAT F1
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