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Originally Posted by derickwm;15430671 
Actually I bought an X4 this summer for a bitcoin build. But I see what you're saying. It's a combination of everyone's fault though, including AMD. Yes we all put a lot of faith into Intel, but quite frankly, their SB series is just better. The 2500k is a boss processor for $200, and AMD just doesn't have that. I've been loyal to brands before in the past, but I'm not going to sink my money into something that is giving me worse performance for the same price.


You're one of a few...

I build fairly high-end PCs in my spare time, and in the last 3 years, I've been asked for an AMD processor on just two occasions!

It actually saddens me to see AMD go to the wall like this (you don't believe it's happening... it has happened with the bulldozer), but I supported AMD for years, until about 7 years ago, when they were (sadly) no longer able to compete. Unfortunately, my lack of brand loyalty means that the cost of processors will steadily increase, but I have nobody to blame but myself, and I'll have to deal with that... frown.gif
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Everyone complained about the 930 replacing the 920. This did not impede sales. Many bought the 930.
 
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You're one of a few...

I build fairly high-end PCs in my spare time, and in the last 3 years, I've been asked for an AMD processor on just two occasions!

It actually saddens me to see AMD go to the wall like this (you don't believe it's happening... it has happened with the bulldozer), but I supported AMD for years, until about 7 years ago, when they were (sadly) no longer able to compete. Unfortunately, my lack of brand loyalty means that the cost of processors will steadily increase, but I have nobody to blame but myself, and I'll have to deal with that... frown.gif

All we can do is hope for the best. AMD doesn't seem to be going down a good path but hopefully something will pull through. If Intel continues to be the only dominance in the CPU market then we are all pretty screwed. Their prices are going to sky rocket. My coming build this winter may be the last one I can afford frown.gif
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Originally Posted by The Doc;15430643 
Amd can only produce a number of chips based on forcasted sales... Hands up if you purchased an AMD processor lately??? I know I didn't, and I always purchased AMD processors until about 8+ years ago...

Amd is on its last legs now... it's sad, but it's true....

I don't believe there on their last leg? They are just not competing in the enthusiast market ( that's all)
They have just made a great 8 core processer for multi threaded apps. and they compete in the prebuilt( brand name pc market just fine) Correct me if i'm wrong, i don't know what there financial situation is? but i think AMD will be around for a long long while!
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Originally Posted by MIKEVALL;15430769 
I don't believe there on their last leg? They are just not competing in the enthusiast market ( that's all)
They have just made a great 8 core processer for multi threaded apps. and they compete in the prebuilt( brand name pc market just fine) Correct me if i'm wrong, i don't know what there financial situation is? but i think AMD will be around for a long long while!

Enthusiast market [hype] is what promotes development. The pricing for those products subsidizes the lesser chips and future research. Do you think Intel had more benefits from their EE chips, or their massively used, but under-performing Celeron chips? It's all about hype and brining in massive dollars at the high performance level. If there is no high performance, then lower tech prices have to go up to cover costs and the incentive to produce quality disappears once the dollars do.

AMD can still save themselves if they hit a home run with the next release, but I would agree, that they're likely going to be out of the picture since their recent products have been less than stellar and the newest mediocrity is likely a symptom of their declining market.
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I don't believe there on their last leg? They are just not competing in the enthusiast market ( that's all)
They have just made a great 8 core processer for multi threaded apps. and they compete in the prebuilt( brand name pc market just fine) Correct me if i'm wrong, i don't know what there financial situation is? but i think AMD will be around for a long long while!

I'd like to answer both these posts with a single reply, if that's ok?
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Originally Posted by silvergoat;15430867 
Enthusiast market [hype] is what promotes development. The pricing for those products subsidizes the lesser chips and future research. Do you think Intel had more benefits from their EE chips, or their massively used, but under-performing Celeron chips? It's all about hype and brining in massive dollars at the high performance level. If there is no high performance, then lower tech prices have to go up to cover costs and the incentive to produce quality disappears once the dollars do.

AMD can still save themselves if they hit a home run with the next release, but I would agree, that they're likely going to be out of the picture since their recent products have been less than stellar and the newest mediocrity is likely a symptom of their declining market.


AMD had their chance with the bulldozer, unfortunately, the bulldozer is no faster than the tried-and-tested 'i7', and there are no (and won't likely be in the near future) programs capabale of utilising 8 cores, so as much as I hate to see it, AMD has failed, and I can't see a way back!... I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I doubt it...
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Originally Posted by MIKEVALL;15430769 
I don't believe there on their last leg? They are just not competing in the enthusiast market ( that's all)
They have just made a great 8 core processer for multi threaded apps. and they compete in the prebuilt( brand name pc market just fine) Correct me if i'm wrong, i don't know what there financial situation is? but i think AMD will be around for a long long while!

I don't believe AMD are directly opposing intel in performance, but bang for buck.
They have some quality chips at reasonable prices, as for them being on their last legs ( as somebody else stated ) i highly doubt, they've been around since the 80's plus they have some god damn great GPU's.
Anyhow the release of the 2700k is a cheap shot by intel releasing it same time as bulldozers debut.
UNLESS they've secretly addressed an issue with the 2600 that nobody knew about.
Who knows...
Edited by Denim-187 - 12/15/11 at 9:11am
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...Vdroop man. For someone with so much rep... wow.

So your telling me my chip at 5ghz should need 1.5v to be idle, but for load should only need 1.40v? Thats not how vdroop works rtard.

The vdroop levels are usually an incrmement or two, not 1.512v to 1.40v....A cpu is not gonna bounce from volt that high to that low from vdroop.

You set your cpu vcore in bios at say 1.400v, then in windows it might drop to 1.390 idle or 1.385v under load. You dont set a volt stupidly high to run it at idle, then set it much lower to run when its at load.
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For BIOSTAR, the voltage control of CPU can be strengthened, 1.512V at standby and 1.416V at full speed are helpful to stability after overclocking, but it fluctuates strongly.

No vdroop fluctuation makes a drop of 0.1v, unless the motherboard is a PoS.
Edited by $ilent - 10/24/11 at 8:35am
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If they sell the 2700k for the 2600K price and drop the 2600k ~ $20 - $30 it would make sense for intel to make a new chip where the only difference is 100MHz. I wonder if this will be intel retail edge deal is winter rolleyes.gif
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So your telling me my chip at 5ghz should need 1.5v to be idle, but for load should only need 1.40v? Thats not how vdroop works rtard.

The vdroop levels are usually an incrmement or two, not 1.512v to 1.40v....A cpu is not gonna bounce from volt that high to that low from vdroop.

You set your cpu vcore in bios at say 1.400v, then in windows it might drop to 1.390 idle or 1.385v under load. You dont set a volt stupidly high to run it at idle, then set it much lower to run when its at load.



No vdroop fluctuation makes a drop of 0.1v, unless the motherboard is a PoS.

First off you don't have to call anyone a "rtard" if his understanding of something is not as comprehensive as yours.

And second of all look at the board that they used in the review. It does look like a PoS. So it's completely possible that the vdroop is this ridiculous.

While I have no real world data on that motherboard it just doesn't look very promising for clean power to the CPU.
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