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And for those that don't OC, Extra 100mhz for a few more dollars more
makes sence.

Later
"sence" ok.

so expensive... i wish i7 2600k price droped to 250$ and i5 2500k to 150$ x)
then is bye bye AMD CPU'S for good.. i don't hate amd but bulldozer was huge disappointment.
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1.512v for 5ghz?...surely he hasnt got that as low as he possibly can.



Say whatttt? Since when do you need more volts at standby than at full load
Voltage droop is sort of like a water hose:

If you pinch one end a little bit with you fingers with with water flow (= current) running through it, the pressure (= voltage) rises. If you let go of the hose, so that you're not squishing its diameter (= CPU opens the throttle at load) the pressure (again, voltage) drops.

Kinda like that.
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So your telling me my chip at 5ghz should need 1.5v to be idle, but for load should only need 1.40v? Thats not how vdroop works rtard.

The vdroop levels are usually an incrmement or two, not 1.512v to 1.40v....A cpu is not gonna bounce from volt that high to that low from vdroop.

You set your cpu vcore in bios at say 1.400v, then in windows it might drop to 1.390 idle or 1.385v under load. You dont set a volt stupidly high to run it at idle, then set it much lower to run when its at load.



No vdroop fluctuation makes a drop of 0.1v, unless the motherboard is a PoS.
Wow. And juding from your post count and rep you'd actually seem like a good OCN member. This post proves otherwise. I'd argue my point but everyone else has already got me covered who's the rtard now.
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You're one of a few...

I build fairly high-end PCs in my spare time, and in the last 3 years, I've been asked for an AMD processor on just two occasions!

It actually saddens me to see AMD go to the wall like this (you don't believe it's happening... it has happened with the bulldozer), but I supported AMD for years, until about 7 years ago, when they were (sadly) no longer able to compete. Unfortunately, my lack of brand loyalty means that the cost of processors will steadily increase, but I have nobody to blame but myself, and I'll have to deal with that...
NO! It is absolutely not the consumers responsibility to support a company who's producing a sub-par product just because you like them.

AMD has no one to blame but themselves. If they want to project their future sales all they have to do is ask themselves how good of a product they're going to make. People didn't switch to Intel because Intel was their friend and AMD was not. They switched because AMD got complacent and started making crap products.

I guarantee you that if AMD came out with a product that was as impressive TODAY as Sandy Bridge was the day it came out, then there would be a HUGE shift in sales to AMD.

As they say, if you build it, they will come. It's NOT the other way around.
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NO! It is absolutely not the consumers responsibility to support a company who's producing a sub-par product just because you like them.

AMD has no one to blame but themselves. If they want to project their future sales all they have to do is ask themselves how good of a product they're going to make. People didn't switch to Intel because Intel was their friend and AMD was not. They switched because AMD got complacent and started making crap products.

I guarantee you that if AMD came out with a product that was as impressive TODAY as Sandy Bridge was the day it came out, then there would be a HUGE shift in sales to AMD.

As they say, if you build it, they will come. It's NOT the other way around.

Actually, you have it wrong, Intel screwed up, not AMD. Here is how it works in the corporate world

You twiddle your thumbs (like Intel did when the Athlon 64's came out) you can get hurt by a competent competitor. Intel was winning in the generation before that and by a good margin and thought, oh, we can twiddle our thumbs with what we got and not make a large leap in performance this next generation.

Well, here comes AMD throwing them to the side like nothing. You will not see Intel make that mistake again.

Same thing happened with Nvidia and ATI in the ATI 5XXX series and the GTX 4XX series GPU's. Nvidia used the same revised G92 core over and over again because it was great, it still was. They started with the 8800 GTX and boy was it great, thrashed ATI hard.

Well, they twiddled there thumbs (just like Intel did) and ATI released the 5870 6+months sooner than the equivalent Nvidia product. It used less power, overclocked as well, had low idle power 27watts in 2D mode.

Nvidia had nothing against them for 6months, till the GTX 480 came out and it wasn't the card we'd hoped for. And it was hardly 5-10% faster then something 6months older.

Now, ATI has nothing on Nvidia (this generation) they screwed up by not keeping on the move like ATI/AMD did.

TLDR: Intel and nvidia twiddled there thumbs and got hurt. They might not make the same mistake twice.

EDIT: I could go further into details like how ATI used a lower nm process while Nvidia used the same 65nm... they consistently were improving, Nvidia wasn't. Same thing for Intel vs's AMD.
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But that's kind of my point. Intel owned and people bought Intel. Intel was riding high and got complacent and here comes AMD to sweep away the performance crown and people buy AMD. Intel wakes back up and reclaims (probably for good) the performance crown and now people are back on the Intel bandwagon.

What happened when the 5000 series came out against the 400 from Nvidia? AMD sold a crapload of 5000 series cards and consumers didn't particularly like the 400's from Nvidia.

The overlying message of "you build it, they will come" still holds true though. Whether it was AMD "building it" or Nvidia "losing it" is irrelevant. AMD was greater than Nvidia during that period and I'll guarantee you there was a shift in market share from Nvidia to AMD because of it.

Maybe the statement should be "if you're the best, they will come." Whether being the best means you built it or your competitor failed to build it doesn't really matter, the end result is the same.
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You're exactly right though Balsagna, Intel probably won't make that mistake of getting complacent again. That means that it's up to AMD to get off the schnide and step UP to Intel rather than them waiting for Intel to come back to them. Consumers shouldn't purchase their products until they do either. Rational consumers won't.

If AMD is waiting for Intel to come back to them or waiting for people to show more interest in their processors so they can justify spending more money to R&D a faster chip, then they are done, gone, stick a fork in them. And if that's the case, then yes as consumers we're possibly screwed, but it's not AT ALL our fault.
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Your whole arguement was that THEY screwed up. They didn't, Intel did. It's going to be hard for AMD to beat Intel again, it will always be very hard to surpass there performance on what they have to go with.

Take a look at the size of intel vs's AMD. The only reason AMD did well back then was because Intel was lazy. Not because AMD was better.

Basically, I'm saying AMD won't win again unless Intel screws up or they somehow create a good market share so they can dump the money into performance.

It's been stated and themselves have stated that there chips will always be on the budget. Even for the ATI cards........ they caught Nvida, that's it. Now there's really no reason to go with ATI currently, it could change, yes. But will it??? only time will tell.
     
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No, my arguement was not that AMD screwed up. I am not a PC history buff, and I was not homebuilding my systems back in the time frame you're talking about, so I wouldn't know nor would I care.


My argument was that it is not the consumers responsibility to purchase an inferior product to keep a company alive in order to prevent a monopoly. It is the consumers responsiblity to purchase the product that provides them the most bang for their buck in their application.

I don't care what the circumstances are. I don't care how big AMD is vs. Intel. I don't care whether Intel screwed up or AMD rose to the top. The bottom line is the consumer will and SHOULD purchase the better product. No one on this board or any other board should feel bad that they switched from buying AMD to buying Intel. AMD stopped producing top notch products. That's no ones fault but AMD's. If Intel rose back up to beat them, then they should have rose up in response, but they didn't. If they don't have the physical capability to rise up, then it wasn't meant to be anyways. No one should feel bad about it.

I made the incorrect statement of "They switched because AMD got complacent and started making crap products."

It shlould have read "They switched because Intel sacked up and made a better product, and AMD failed to keep up."

You're arguing why the product became inferior. I'm arguing that it's not a consumers responsibility to continue purchasing from a company when their products become inferior. It is the companies responsibility to make sure their products are not inferior and then consumers will purchase them, not the other way around.
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No, my arguement was not that AMD screwed up. I am not a PC history buff, and I was not homebuilding my systems back in the time frame you're talking about, so I wouldn't know nor would I care.


My argument was that it is not the consumers responsibility to purchase an inferior product to keep a company alive in order to prevent a monopoly. It is the consumers responsiblity to purchase the product that provides them the most bang for their buck in their application.

I don't care what the circumstances are. I don't care how big AMD is vs. Intel. I don't care whether Intel screwed up or AMD rose to the top. The bottom line is the consumer will and SHOULD purchase the better product. No one on this board or any other board should feel bad that they switched from buying AMD to buying Intel. AMD stopped producing top notch products. That's no ones fault but AMD's. If Intel rose back up to beat them, then they should have rose up in response, but they didn't. If they don't have the physical capability to rise up, then it wasn't meant to be anyways. No one should feel bad about it.

I made the incorrect statement of "They switched because AMD got complacent and started making crap products."

It shlould have read "They switched because Intel sacked up and made a better product, and AMD failed to keep up."

You're arguing why the product became inferior. I'm arguing that it's not a consumers responsibility to continue purchasing from a company when their products become inferior. It is the companies responsibility to make sure their products are not inferior and then consumers will purchase them, not the other way around.
What is inferior? AMD's chip's are not inferior. They are not stronger, that's correct. But they are also much cheaper and the platforms are much cheaper.

What CPU is on the market that's 8 cores and under $300? AMD has that, would Intel be inferior there? Really it depends on the individual. They cost anywhere from 20-40% less than the competition for 10-20% less performance. I call that a winner, like ATI's GPU's.

I grabbed 2x 4870's for the cost of 1 GTX 285. Who is inferior? You can setup a decent server system with AMD CPU's that will perform better than intel dollar to dollar.

It's how the market is working. If you want a cheaper laptop for college. AMD wins -- If you need an intro gaming machine, AMD wins.

If you want utter performance, Intel wins. I merely corrected your argument about AMD screwing up... They have never screwed up, they just are not competing where people WANT them to compete at.... which is the performance segment.

People are only let down because they want more competition where AMD says they have no interest to compete. It'd cost them more money trying to compete with Intel then it would be to keep doing what they are doing.
Edited by Balsagna - 10/26/11 at 3:28pm
     
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