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1090T > FX-6100. Just throw away the thought of getting the FX-6100. The FX-6100 isn't even a true hexacore processor.
HHmmm, yes, I have to agree. If you want a 6 core go with 1090T.

As of and for now it out performs the 6100 pretty handily. In the right hands the 6100 can kinda almost hold its own.

The future my be bright for bulldozer, but as of now it is surrounded by clouds of doom.


In all honesty, save a tad more and swing a cheap i5 2500k build. Long term it will pan out much better imo.
Edited by rx7racer - 10/24/11 at 12:48am
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HHmmm, yes, I have to agree. If you want a 6 core go with 1090T.

As of and for now it out performs the 6100 pretty handily. In the right hands the 6100 can kinda almost hold its own.

The future my be bright for bulldozer, but as of now it is surrounded by clouds of doom.


In all honesty, save a tad more and swing a cheap i5 2500k build. Long term it will pan out much better imo.
I think you should sell your set-up and go SB.
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I think you should sell your set-up and go SB.
Haha, If I didn't already have an SB setup I wouldn't have bought it to begin with.

But I'll admit, SB is boring and I needed to play with something.
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Just did some quick pricing based off of Amazon.co.uk prices.

2500K+AsRock Z68 Extreme3:
£169.70+£113.05=£282.75

1090T+990FXA-UD3:
£149.00+£114.99=£263.99

Not really a big difference...unless you consider £20 to be a dealbreaker. With only a small difference in price I would definitely suggest going the 2500K route. With the AsRock Extreme3 board, you should be able to reach 4.7 or 4.8 GHz without much difficulty on a 2500K.
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I think you should sell your set-up and go SB.
I think if somebody made an educated purchase on Bulldozer (meaning they knew the risks after the initial benchmarks), then they have every right to sport one in their signature. They already know that Bulldozer performance isn't what it was hyped up to be.

Only reason I'm pushing the 1155 build on the OP is because he seems to be after the best performance for his buck, and he needs a full platform upgrade anyway. And Sandy Bridge has that.
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I think if somebody made an educated purchase on Bulldozer (meaning they knew the risks after the initial benchmarks), then they have every right to sport one in their signature. They already know that Bulldozer performance isn't what it was hyped up to be.

Only reason I'm pushing the 1155 build on the OP is because he seems to be after the best performance for his buck, and he needs a full platform upgrade anyway. And Sandy Bridge has that.
Plus the current Z68 boards will support Ivy Bridge so OP is guaranteed to be able to upgrade at least to the next gen of Intel CPUs. With a 990FX setup, the future is much more uncertain as we really have no idea how much Piledriver will improve upon Bulldozer (it really needs to be a huge jump to even come close to Ivy Bridge...the 10-15% improvement that AMD claims will be nowhere near enough to bring it into competition with Ivy Bridge).
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He seems to be on a tight budget, that much seems to stick out to me in his posts. Why any1 thinks you need to spend $150 on a Thuban capable MB either thinks you need the best mobo for everything, or is skewing the prices. I've seen plenty of boards under $100 more than capable of running a Thuban and OC'd. Just stay away from 4+1 phase mobo's and try to get a mobo that has heatsinks on the VRM.

AMD is still a great choice for budget builders. Sure, if you have the money and the need for it, the 2500K simply can't be beat right now. But if thats overkill or out of budget a decent but cheap mobo and a 955 is still a great choice. I wouldn't really suggest anything in Phenom II X4 over the 955 as they are likely not gonna give you anything better in OC headroom... Buying a 980BE will be a waste of money 9 outta 10 times.

I'd suggest a 960T if you can get your hands on one. A great X4 CPU that has a chance to be a 5 or 6 core CPU. Win-win. A 1090T is also a good choice if you have the extra cash and NEED the extra cores to be guaranteed for your workloads. I'd suggest you take the time to sit down and evaluate what you do on your computer and see if you really need 6 cores. Cause if not, saving some cash and getting a 955 would be a solid bet.

The FX line simply is underwhelming right now... and if you can do with a Phenom II X4 you certainly won't need the multithreaded capabilities of an FX CPU, as the 4100 and 6100 will likely be outperformed by the 955 in lightly threaded tasks... heck, even the 8100 series seems to be having trouble competing with what its replacing in a lot of lightly threaded workloads, and for the price, its not a good route for you right now, especially so close to launch with FX CPU's being overpriced for their performance, and retailers gouging unsuspecting customers who think more cores means more performance... Even if you decide on an FX CPU, I strongly suggest you wait a little while right now.

So yea, my money is firmly on a 960T for bang for your buck with a good chance to unlock. A 955 for safe performance at rock bottom low prices, and a 1090T if you NEED more than 4 cores. 1100T is a ripoff as well as its a 1090T with diff stock clock and is very unlikely to get you a higher OC. Some will, but most will be about the same as 1090T. Same can basically be said for PII X4 above a 955... most likely your paying extra for nothing, unless you run stock and won't OC... But its so simple and easy (2 minutes of work) to get a 955 to 965-980 speeds...

I should stop, I'm rambling... 2500K if you need the performance and can afford it. 955 for safe and cheap performance and 960T for best bang for your buck with a chance for unlocking to 5-6 core.

Good luck picking your parts and I hope you enjoy what you pick. As long as you do the research and take your time, I'm sure you'll be happy with your choice. Just don't rush and don't jump the gun.
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Only reason I'm pushing the 1155 build on the OP is because he seems to be after the best performance for his buck, and he needs a full platform upgrade anyway. And Sandy Bridge has that.
I have to concur, honestly if you do performance/price breakdown, for the first true time in a long time Intel can win. Some of it depends on what gfx etc you're pairing it with, but mb doesn't really make a hoot, just grab a cheapo.

It's hard to sit back do the math and if you want to capitalize and get best performance per investment $, just to look away from SB due to like $50 difference.

Unless you can really use those 2 extra core the X6 can give you. But even then it's slim scenarios usually.

Just food for thought.

Edit: the board needing the right spacing for the gfx cards could come into play. In that case I would say grab a 960T etc and go that route, as stated chance to unlock even.
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With the £160 2500k and £110 Z68 that's still £30-40 out of budget, if I was to go AM3+ for piledriver with the 1090T I planned to get either the M5A99X EVO 990FX or the GA-990XA-UD3 which seemed fine, I'm under the impression all the 9XX chipset boards are compatible with bulldozer, unless I'm wrong? I may have to good non-9XX chipset if I am wrong.
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With the £160 2500k and £110 Z68 that's still £30-40 out of budget, if I was to go AM3+ for piledriver with the 1090T I planned to get either the M5A99X EVO 990FX or the GA-990XA-UD3 which seemed fine, I'm under the impression all the 9XX chipset boards are compatible with bulldozer, unless I'm wrong? I may have to good non-9XX chipset if I am wrong.
Is it completely out of the question to save for a few more weeks so that you can get the 2500K setup?

If so, I would absolutely recommend going in that direction. The future is uncertain with Piledriver. We do not know how well it will perform and we don't even know whether current 9XX boards will be fully compatible. IIRC, AMD claimed a while back that AM3 boards would be compatible with bulldozer, but almost none of them actually are. AMD's claim for Piledriver is a 10-15% performance gain over Bulldozer, but when you think about it, that's nowhere close to being competitive with Ivy Bridge (which will bring a 10-15% IPC boost on top of Sandy Bridge). We all know how Bulldozer doesn't hold a candle to Sandy Bridge today, and I feel that Piledriver vs. Ivy Bridge will likely be a similar situation.

With the Z68 setup, you're guaranteed a very fast system now, and you can be 100% sure that it will support Ivy Bridge if you choose to upgrade to that later on.



However, if you really can't expand your budget by the £30-40, I would go for the 1090T instead of Bulldozer.
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