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Is it completely out of the question to save for a few more weeks so that you can get the 2500K setup?

If so, I would absolutely recommend going in that direction. The future is uncertain with Piledriver. We do not know how well it will perform and we don't even know whether current 9XX boards will be fully compatible. IIRC, AMD claimed a while back that AM3 boards would be compatible with bulldozer, but almost none of them actually are.

With the Z68 setup, you're guaranteed a very fast system now, and you can be 100% sure that it will support Ivy Bridge if you choose to upgrade to that later on.


However, if you really can't expand your budget by the £30-40, I would go for the 1090T instead of Bulldozer.
This. However another option, is that if you CAN afford that extra cash right now (you just don't want to, or whatever), you could always sell off your old equipment locally to make up that extra cash once your new build is complete. Heck, find something in your system now that you could live without, sell it, build the SB rig, sell your old parts that are no longer used, and then buy a better version of the first part you sold (like your sound card).
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He seems to be on a tight budget, that much seems to stick out to me in his posts. Why any1 thinks you need to spend $150 on a Thuban capable MB either thinks you need the best mobo for everything, or is skewing the prices. I've seen plenty of boards under $100 more than capable of running a Thuban and OC'd. Just stay away from 4+1 phase mobo's and try to get a mobo that has heatsinks on the VRM.

AMD is still a great choice for budget builders. Sure, if you have the money and the need for it, the 2500K simply can't be beat right now. But if thats overkill or out of budget a decent but cheap mobo and a 955 is still a great choice. I wouldn't really suggest anything in Phenom II X4 over the 955 as they are likely not gonna give you anything better in OC headroom... Buying a 980BE will be a waste of money 9 outta 10 times.

I'd suggest a 960T if you can get your hands on one. A great X4 CPU that has a chance to be a 5 or 6 core CPU. Win-win. A 1090T is also a good choice if you have the extra cash and NEED the extra cores to be guaranteed for your workloads. I'd suggest you take the time to sit down and evaluate what you do on your computer and see if you really need 6 cores. Cause if not, saving some cash and getting a 955 would be a solid bet.

The FX line simply is underwhelming right now... and if you can do with a Phenom II X4 you certainly won't need the multithreaded capabilities of an FX CPU, as the 4100 and 6100 will likely be outperformed by the 955 in lightly threaded tasks... heck, even the 8100 series seems to be having trouble competing with what its replacing in a lot of lightly threaded workloads, and for the price, its not a good route for you right now, especially so close to launch with FX CPU's being overpriced for their performance, and retailers gouging unsuspecting customers who think more cores means more performance... Even if you decide on an FX CPU, I strongly suggest you wait a little while right now.

So yea, my money is firmly on a 960T for bang for your buck with a good chance to unlock. A 955 for safe performance at rock bottom low prices, and a 1090T if you NEED more than 4 cores. 1100T is a ripoff as well as its a 1090T with diff stock clock and is very unlikely to get you a higher OC. Some will, but most will be about the same as 1090T. Same can basically be said for PII X4 above a 955... most likely your paying extra for nothing, unless you run stock and won't OC... But its so simple and easy (2 minutes of work) to get a 955 to 965-980 speeds...

I should stop, I'm rambling... 2500K if you need the performance and can afford it. 955 for safe and cheap performance and 960T for best bang for your buck with a chance for unlocking to 5-6 core.

Good luck picking your parts and I hope you enjoy what you pick. As long as you do the research and take your time, I'm sure you'll be happy with your choice. Just don't rush and don't jump the gun.
I appreciate your very informative reply, and I do appreciate all the other replies even if I feel pushing me to get sandy bridge really is a lost effort (in preference and price unfortunately). My main reason for getting the FX-6100 is I feel bulldozer may turn up a good choice later on, It's the same price as the 1090T and although the 1090T performs better (and I understand that) I still feel compelled to get the bulldozer, stupidly involved or not.

I'd definitely grab the 960T if I could but short of getting it shipped overseas I simply can't.
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Get a 990FX mobo and a 980BE or 960T Zosma to hold you over until bulldozer is sorted.
The X4 960T BE (Zosma code, Thuban when cores unlocked ) can be the best option but OP said that it's so hard to get them in UK.

X4 980BE (Deneb) is not worth it. IMO it's better to buy X4 955BE C3 (also Deneb) and OC it to the limits. It should overclock and perform as good as 980BE. Their overclockability is similar.
    
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I appreciate your very informative reply, and I do appreciate all the other replies even if I feel pushing me to get sandy bridge really is a lost effort (in preference and price unfortunately). My main reason for getting the FX-6100 is I feel bulldozer may turn up a good choice later on, It's the same price as the 1090T and although the 1090T performs better (and I understand that) I still feel compelled to get the bulldozer, stupidly involved or not.

I'd definitely grab the 960T if I could but short of getting it shipped overseas I simply can't.
If you are absolutely bent on going AMD, then a 1055T, 1090T, 1100T, or a 960T would be the chip to get. You will want to make sure you've got an 8 phase heatsinked motherboard, with a 990FX chipset (AM3+) as a minimum to make sure it'll support the future processors (and even then, we don't know at this point, with Intel we know for sure Ivy Bridge will be supported).
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I have to agree with whoever said the Sandy Bridge setup is kinda boring. But if you want top notch performance at an excellent price, go this route. Oh and if that is not enough, Ivy Bridge upgrade in 5-6 months.
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I appreciate your very informative reply, and I do appreciate all the other replies even if I feel pushing me to get sandy bridge really is a lost effort (in preference and price unfortunately). My main reason for getting the FX-6100 is I feel bulldozer may turn up a good choice later on, It's the same price as the 1090T and although the 1090T performs better (and I understand that) I still feel compelled to get the bulldozer, stupidly involved or not.

I'd definitely grab the 960T if I could but short of getting it shipped overseas I simply can't.
If you're that set on getting Bulldozer, you might as well save some money and get a 1055T instead. The FX-6100 is NOT a true 6-core like the 10xxT series are, and doesn't perform as well at the same clock speeds. So, a 1055T will probably offer you better performance than a FX6100 in most cases.

Remember how Phenom I was when it came out? BIOS updates and such helped, but nothing made a huge difference. Things aren't going to change with Bulldozer. You can expect slight improvements with updates (and maybe a new revision from AMD), but I wouldn't hold out for a huge performance increase from a BIOS update. It's just not going to happen.


I know it's probably a lost cause, but here's a bit more food for thought. If you go for the 10xxT setup with a 990FX board now, you may be saving a small amount vs. a 2500K/Z68 setup, but you also won't be getting nearly the same level of performance. Even in multithreaded applications, a 2500K @ 4.5 GHz will match or beat a 10xxT @ ~4 GHz (which is what you can expect to reach with a good board). And in applications that use 4 or less threads (which is to say, almost everything), the 2500K will annihilate a 10xxT.

And when it comes to upgrades, we don't know whether that 990FX AM3+ board will support Piledriver. It might, or it might not. With Z68, there are no doubts about whether it will support Intel's next generation, Ivy Bridge. We already know it will, with 100% certainty.

So, if you get to the point where you need to upgrade a few years from now, you might have to ditch the whole AMD setup if it turns out that the 990FX board you got will not support Piledriver. And that will end up costing you more $$ in the long run.
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Is it completely out of the question to save for a few more weeks so that you can get the 2500K setup?

If so, I would absolutely recommend going in that direction. The future is uncertain with Piledriver. We do not know how well it will perform and we don't even know whether current 9XX boards will be fully compatible. IIRC, AMD claimed a while back that AM3 boards would be compatible with bulldozer, but almost none of them actually are. AMD's claim for Piledriver is a 10-15% performance gain over Bulldozer, but when you think about it, that's nowhere close to being competitive with Ivy Bridge (which will bring a 10-15% IPC boost on top of Sandy Bridge). We all know how Bulldozer doesn't hold a candle to Sandy Bridge today, and I feel that Piledriver vs. Ivy Bridge will likely be a similar situation.

With the Z68 setup, you're guaranteed a very fast system now, and you can be 100% sure that it will support Ivy Bridge if you choose to upgrade to that later on.



However, if you really can't expand your budget by the £30-40, I would go for the 1090T instead of Bulldozer.
It is unfortunately, I've negotiated with myself enough times to release I'm pushing it even for a X4/1090T (which I can just about afford after doing a bit of finance kung fu), I really do appreciate the help and pushing me to get the best out of my money but I'd definitely done my research into whether I can get the 2500k or not and it's a quite definite no, I can get one second hand but I definitely want to avoid that.
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I have to agree with whoever said the Sandy Bridge setup is kinda boring. But if you want top notch performance at an excellent price, go this route. Oh and if that is not enough, Ivy Bridge upgrade in 5-6 months.
It doesn't HAVE to be boring. Have you tweaked with your BCLK yet? That's where things get interesting.
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I appreciate your very informative reply, and I do appreciate all the other replies even if I feel pushing me to get sandy bridge really is a lost effort (in preference and price unfortunately). My main reason for getting the FX-6100 is I feel bulldozer may turn up a good choice later on, It's the same price as the 1090T and although the 1090T performs better (and I understand that) I still feel compelled to get the bulldozer, stupidly involved or not.

I'd definitely grab the 960T if I could but short of getting it shipped overseas I simply can't.
The only thing I'll say and I'll leave ya alone.

Bulldozer, and in my experience the 6100, I'll admit is fun as hell to toy with and see what you can get her to do.

As long as you don't get it expecting to OC it to outperform 2500 etc you'll enjoy it just fine.
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It is unfortunately, I've negotiated with myself enough times to release I'm pushing it even for a X4/1090T (which I can just about afford after doing a bit of finance kung fu), I really do appreciate the help and pushing me to get the best out of my money but I'd definitely done my research into whether I can get the 2500k or not and it's a quite definite no, I can get one second hand but I definitely want to avoid that.
What's wrong with second hand parts? My entire Sandy Bridge build (except my RAM and hard drives) is all second hand parts.

Like I said before....I'm not trying to be pushy, I'm really not. I'm the type of person that likes to see the best performance for your buck.
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Intel Core i5 3330 Asus H61 MSI GTX 750Ti Low Profile 2x4GB Hynix DDR3-1333 
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60GB Kingston SSD 1TB Seagate Samsung DVDRW CoolerMaster Gemin II 
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Windows 8.1 + Steam Big Picture / Plex HT 50" Insignia LED 1080p Logitech Rosewill Green 530w 
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Silverstone HTPC Logitech Pioneer 2.0 tower speakers + 135w RMS Rosewill MCE Remote 
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