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It doesn't HAVE to be boring. Have you tweaked with your BCLK yet? That's where things get interesting.
Well i didnt mean boring in that sense. More like, boring, knowing what you are going to get I guess. I think there may be a little mystery still in Bulldozer. I am perfectly happy with my 2500K though.
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What you could do, is buy a P67 or z68 board now, and a cheap dual core to get you going. Then go for a chip swap later on to 2500k or 2600k?

Sadly, with no k series overclockable i3 or pentium-1155, then clocking is something you'd have to skip until you got the replacement chip.

I can't find any 960T on sale here either. If you really have to go AMD, then a 955BE is probably your best choice. But I'd really recommend saving a bit more and going Intel.
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What you could do, is buy a P67 or z68 board now, and a cheap dual core to get you going. Then go for a chip swap later on to 2500k or 2600k?

Sadly, with no k series overclockable i3 or pentium-1155, then clocking is something you'd have to skip until you got the replacement chip.

I can't find any 960T on sale here either. If you really have to go AMD, then a 955BE is probably your best choice. But I'd really recommend saving a bit more and going Intel.
This would also be an option yes. The i3 2100 is a solid budget chip, but it doesn't overclock. At bone stock 3.1GHz though, it should compete with a 4GHz AMD chip (Thuban) in most games, and will beat it in clock per clock instructions.
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post #44 of 59
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What you could do, is buy a P67 or z68 board now, and a cheap dual core to get you going. Then go for a chip swap later on to 2500k or 2600k?

Sadly, with no k series overclockable i3 or pentium-1155, then clocking is something you'd have to skip until you got the replacement chip.

I can't find any 960T on sale here either. If you really have to go AMD, then a 955BE is probably your best choice. But I'd really recommend saving a bit more and going Intel.
Another good option.

OP, I think the general consensus in this thread is clear. Even most of the AMD owners are telling you that the 2500K/Z68 setup for slightly more money is the much better bet in the long run. This isn't about favoring one side or another. Rather, we're telling to spend a little more for the 2500K setup because it will give a huge increase in performance while offering you a clear path for an upgrade to Ivy Bridge. With Bulldozer, you're not getting that performance, and you have a very uncertain path as far as upgrades go.

You should really give our advice some consideration. And in the end, if you do decide that you absolutely want to stick with AMD, go for a Thuban. Bulldozer is simply not worth it unless you buy one with the clear knowledge that it's not going to perform better than Phenom II clock for clock.
Edited by 996gt2 - 10/24/11 at 1:16am
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post #45 of 59
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Originally Posted by allikat View Post
What you could do, is buy a P67 or z68 board now, and a cheap dual core to get you going. Then go for a chip swap later on to 2500k or 2600k?

Sadly, with no k series overclockable i3 or pentium-1155, then clocking is something you'd have to skip until you got the replacement chip.

I can't find any 960T on sale here either. If you really have to go AMD, then a 955BE is probably your best choice. But I'd really recommend saving a bit more and going Intel.
It's not the worst idea but I really am quite set on AMD right now, I do realize I'm stubborn and I apologize .
And there's no doubt the X4 955 will be the best bang/buck for my usage but I'd much rather get the 6100 (knowing it's worse at the minute) or the 1090T just for future's sake, this is mostly for games but a little experimenting and mystery is fun as someone has already said and I'll definitely get use of the 6 cores sooner or later, even though the 6100 isn't a 'true' 6-core.
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It's not the worst idea but I really am quite set on AMD right now, I do realize I'm stubborn and I apologize .
And there's no doubt the X4 955 will be the best bang/buck for my usage but I'd much rather get the 6100 (knowing it's worse at the minute) or the 1090T just for future's sake, this is mostly for games but a little experimenting and mystery is fun as someone has already said and I'll definitely get use of the 6 cores sooner or later, even though the 6100 isn't a 'true' 6-core.
It seems like you're quite set on AMD, so let me just give you a few benchmarks that show how poorly Bulldozer actually performs, even when compared to AMD's last generation.

Notice that BD's single threaded performance is actually LOWER than Phenom II's. And note just how much worse it is compared to Sandy Bridge.




Even in heavily multithreaded apps, an FX-8150 barely beats an 1100T. So just think of how much worse a FX-6100 would be, even against an 1100T. And even in the modern Cinebench R11.5's Multithreaded Test, an "8-core" FX-8150 barely beats a 2500K (which only has 4 cores and is clocked 300 MHz lower).





Then look at a game benchmark done @ CPU-dependent settings (not GPU-limited settings), and Bulldozer loses here as well:



Now for the nail in the coffin: power consumption. Bulldozer is an absolute power hog, and it doesn't have the performance to back it up:




Btw, if you plan to overclock a Bulldozer chip, be prepared with a GOOD PSU and a GOOD cooling setup:












So here's what I'm trying to say in one simple sentence:

If you must go AMD, get a Thuban!
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Quite horrid I understand, 1090T might be what I'm looking for even if I'm drawn to BD.
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Dont go BD my man a 1090T will be fine
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Just to help show, here is my 6100 at 5GHz and 260 HT/fsb running CineBench11.5

BD is cast in a poor light, but has some nice things as well going for it.

But in gaming, it really doesn't matter.

And attached a quick run with 2500k at 4.8GHz.

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Quite horrid I understand, 1090T might be what I'm looking for even if I'm drawn to BD.
If you're absolutely set on AMD, get a Thuban. Honestly.

Don't be drawn to the "6-core" or "8-core" marketing scheme of Bulldozer. An FX-6100 is NOT a true 6-core, while a 1090T is.

FX-6100: 6 Integer cores, 3 Floating Point Cores
1090T: 6 Integer Cores, 6 Floating Point Cores
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