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It's not really a niche product since it runs mainstream things just fine. What is your definition of a "niche product"?
Something not a lot of people buy.
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I'm also disappointed with BD's general results. To computer enthusiasts, I wouldn't think any of "us" at OCN would or should get one except out of complete curiosity--it flopped in that segment.
^^^ That would be a Niche Product.
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Well If you do get one of these FX 8150 CPUs you should be set for years to come because of it's ability to crunch multi-threaded applications. But don't jump on the first release.
Edited by AMD2600 - 10/26/11 at 4:34pm
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It's a niche product, get over it.
youre saying that adobe photoshop cs 5 is niche ....

are you really saying that ?
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Something not a lot of people buy.
I would disagree. I think of a niche product as something aimed at a single, very specific application. Like phys-x cards (before nvidia started integrating phys-x support on their cards, that is). It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the population that goes out and buys one. Note, my example of phys-x cards might be confusing because not a lot of people bought them--but that doesn't mean a niche item is not purchased by a lot of people.

CPU's are aimed a large demographic for multiple applications, so I don't see how they could be a niche product. While BD's architecture may (or may not) have been derived from an architecture inspired by the server environment, it accomplishes the tasks that a general CPU is designed for, for the demographic targeted to use CPU's, so I don't see how it could be a niche product.

If by a niche product you mean a product that you personally don't want to buy, then I would say that the i7-990x is a niche product. And the intel atom is a niche product by that definition too.
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^^^ That would be a Niche Product.
Come again? Are you saying any pieces of hardware that the computer enthusiast community use are considered a niche product? Or that pieces of hardware that the computer enthusiast community doesn't use are considered a niche product?
    
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BD is a CPU it does the job !
Just that it is far from the best option .
Would I buy one ? - NO . Would I recommend it to someone ? - NO .
Is the ARCH going to improve - unknown ( I have my doubts )
Is it a dud - Pretty much .
So nothing to get upset about - there are other options . Just buy something else .
Don't like it don't buy it - it is that simple .
Intel vs AMD two multi-billion Dollar companies each out to relieve your wallet of it's contents . Which one is better ? Probably Intel ( They clean out your wallet faster and more frequently ) Which one makes the best CPU ? Who cares ? Value for $$$ is what I consider important .
I just wish there was a major player that was NOT U.S. based . Some genuine international competition would be good .
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youre saying that adobe photoshop cs 5 is niche ....

are you really saying that ?
um for power users who really need that extra 5% in performance, yes it's a niche market.


The general public, gamers included would be better of with a core i5. Bulldozer is only worth it in things like photoshop and encryption. Something most users won't ever use, especially heavily.
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Various aspects that were new in the Netburst architecture have been carried through to subsequent architectures (though I think the core and core-based architectures were less-based around netburst, and more around the previous gen architecture). But what you're implying is that the architecture that BD is based on is worthless and has no redeeming value for subsequent revisions--why do you assume that?

I did not say it was worthless. I simply said there is a 50 50 chance it may succeed as per the Netburst scenario. Only time will tell which road is better ... Intel's IPC + HT or AMD Hybrid Core technology. So far, INTEL has this in the bag with SB-E and IB.
 
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AMD knew it was going to be like net burst. They followed the same path, I don't know why on earth they thought they could do it better than intel. Guess what amd, IPC is still relevant and you can't ignore it.
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Come again? Are you saying any pieces of hardware that the computer enthusiast community use are considered a niche product? Or that pieces of hardware that the computer enthusiast community doesn't use are considered a niche product?
Per your Quote -

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I'm also disappointed with BD's general results. To computer enthusiasts, I wouldn't think any of "us" at OCN would or should get one except out of complete curiosity--it flopped in that segment.
A product that one should only get "Out Of Complete Curiosity" - As it flopped in the market it was meant for - Computer Enthusiasts.
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