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It doesn't have to be, it's actually a pretty good article. They even tested 4M/4C





This part was alarming....




The IPC hit is even bigger than that, the 8150 is clocked at 3.6ghz non-turbo, while the 1100T is clocked at 3.3ghz. So if they're comparing stock to stock they are not comparing IPC.
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Per your Quote -



A product that one should only get "Out Of Complete Curiosity" - As it flopped in the market it was meant for - Computer Enthusiasts.
Again, you're taking things entirely out of context--plus you clearly don't understand what a niche market is.

Let me explain my statement. Computer hardware enthusiasts are generally interested and excited about top-end performance. No one will deny that BD doesn't deliver top-end performance. Ergo people on OCN (the computer enthusiast community) wouldn't be interested in having one except just to play with it. Where in my statement was I addressing people outside of the OCN demographic? And where in my statement was I stating that BD is not useful/applicable outside of the OCN demographic?

If anything, I would argue that things computer hardware enthusiasts are most excited about are niche items--items less and less applicable to the general public's general computing demands.

But that doesn't make BD a "niche product" just because computer hardware enthusiasts see that it isn't the top-end performer. If anything, it makes it even more mainstream.
    
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um for power users who really need that extra 5% in performance, yes it's a niche market.
why should someone who is to upgrade to a new processor choose intel over 5% more performing, cheaper dozer chip ?

huh ?

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The general public, gamers included would be better of with a core i5. Bulldozer is only worth it in things like photoshop and encryption. Something most users won't ever use, especially heavily.
to the general public, all the stuff you are talking here, and words like fx, 2500, 2600, are magic.

they dont understand zit about these. what they care for is whether it works, and it is cheap.

and in those regards, amd's new and old cpus with cheaper prices are appealing.
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If the "Module" design is the future then why isn't Intel doing it? Intel has no interest in doing "Module's". Why should they? Intel keeps getting better and better. Amd took a shot in the dark and it failed horribly.
I wouldn't say Intel has no "interest". Look at history and you will see that Intel has a lot of interest in AMD designs.

AMD used an IMC design, HT and was a 64bit processor since late 2003.

Intel finally became a 64bit processor with the P4 around June 2004. Intel finally used an IMC along side QPI in November of 2008. That's 5 years of getting destroyed in the server market with an inferior FSB design.

Just because Intel hasn't said anything doesn't mean they wont' use it. we'll have to wait and see if the Module design will fail or succeed, but to say Intel has "No Interest", would be stretching it a bit.
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I did not say it was worthless. I simply said there is a 50 50 chance it may succeed as per the Netburst scenario. Only time will tell which road is better ... Intel's IPC + HT or AMD Hybrid Core technology. So far, INTEL has this in the bag with SB-E and IB.
Ah, yes, true, I shouldn't have assumed that you implied that--my apologies. Agreed with your synopsis.
    
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why should someone who is to upgrade to a new processor choose intel over 5% more performing, cheaper dozer chip ?

huh ?



to the general public, all the stuff you are talking here, and words like fx, 2500, 2600, are magic.

they dont understand zit about these. what they care for is whether it works, and it is cheap.

and in those regards, amd's new and old cpus with cheaper prices are appealing.
Same price, and better performance in general applications. Thats why they should choose intel. Intel already dominates the market. Who are we kidding, its hard to find an AMD processor in an OEM build.
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The general public, gamers included would be better of with a core i5. Bulldozer is only worth it in things like photoshop and encryption. Something most users won't ever use, especially heavily.
The general public is probably fine with a Bobcat or Llano, Intel sucks for low-end stuff.
    
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Same price, and better performance in general applications. Thats why they should choose intel. Intel already dominates the market. Who are we kidding, its hard to find an AMD processor in an OEM build.
The same thing happened with Pentium 4,except AMD processors had better performance. Intel dominates the market even if AMD could produce a competitive product. Walk into a Bestbuy and go to the computer section. All you'll really see are Intel based laptops/desktops. I only seen 2 or 3 AMD laptops and about 2 AMD desktops.
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The general public is probably fine with a Bobcat or Llano, Intel sucks for low-end stuff.
Acutally the core i3's are great processors for the money too. although I do like bobcat and llano.
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The same thing happened with Pentium 4,except AMD processors had better performance. Intel dominates the market even if AMD could produce a competitive product. Walk into a Bestbuy and go to the computer section. All you'll really see are Intel based laptops/desktops. I only seen 2 or 3 AMD laptops and about 2 AMD desktops.
Exactly why amd can't afford a netburst affair. But here we are 2011 and we have AMD's netburst. Only time will tell how they will do. Hopefully bulldozer is good in the server world and and compensate for their lack of competitiveness in the desktop / laptop world.
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