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Yeah, but that was a very long time ago and Intel had no competition, i.e. no reason to better themselves.

AMD had the time, the resources, the incentive..

And we get this.

It's like.. how can their GPU side be so clever while their CPU side is as dumb as needles.
you rkidding right?

Amd beat intel to chip fabrication size and to the ghz barrier.

Amd 1ghz chip traded blows against intel 1ghz chip.

When the p4 1.7ghz came out, a T-bird 1.2ghz was faster then that.
    
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you rkidding right?

Amd beat intel to chip fabrication size and to the ghz barrier.

Amd 1ghz chip traded blows against intel 1ghz chip.

When the p4 1.7ghz came out, a T-bird 1.2ghz was faster then that.
and then in the true tradition of a corrupt american-culture company, intel had paid desktop pc manufacturers not to use amd chips, cost amd billions, made profit in the billions, and just got sued and paid a ridiculously funny fine compared to the profits it made and damage it had done.

in the true tradition of an american company - lockheed had also pulled that stunt back in 1950s, and caused british and a few other european countries' aerospace industries to bite the dust - they paid bribes national governments' ministers to choose their sh@tty f104s as national fighter jets over its competitors in numerous acquisitions. (not to mention the sh@tty design of f104s have caused approx 600 nato pilots to die in landings and takeoffs over 50 years in many european countries - it was nicknamed flying coffin by many pilots)

what happened ? after 50 years, they got sued, paid a ridiculously small fine compared to the profits and damage they have done, and apologized, and that. nothing else.

...........................

that kind of pattern is akin to being a REAL public enemy.
Edited by unity100 - 10/25/11 at 11:25am
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and then in the true tradition of a corrupt american-culture company, intel had paid desktop pc manufacturers not to use amd chips, cost amd billions, made profit in the billions, and just got sued and paid a ridiculously funny fine compared to the profits it made and damage it had done.

in the true tradition of an american company - lockheed had also pulled that stunt back in 1950s, and caused british and a few other european countries' aerospace industries to bite the dust - they paid bribes national governments' ministers to choose their sh@tty f104s as national fighter jets over its competitors in numerous acquisitions. (not to mention the sh@tty design of f104s have caused approx 600 nato pilots to die in landings and takeoffs over 50 years in many european countries - it was nicknamed flying coffin by many pilots)

what happened ? after 50 years, they got sued, paid a ridiculously small fine compared to the profits and damage they have done, and apologized, and that. nothing else.

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that kind of pattern is akin to being a REAL public enemy.
Thank you for that, you added a lot of relevant information to the thread.
    
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Thats true to a degree.

Most of the major pc makers back then barely had any amd or no amd system at all during the years amd had a chip that was able to compete strongly against intel.
    
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Thank you for that, you added a lot of relevant information to the thread.
of course it is.

'why bulldozer is disappointing' 'why bulldozer is late' 'this should have been out back 5 years ago', this that.

research costs money. the most expensive thing in a technology firm is research.

if someone plays dirty and illegal and cuts your revenue stream when youre at your strongest and need to reap profits off of your recent research (thunderbird times), and you cant do it, you get into trouble for your next r&d cycle.

intel did exactly this. it played filthy, and caused ALL of us to lose, not only amd. now, people are paying even more money to intel chips which are 1-2 years behind in technology, because the main competitor has been hampered in its development cycle.

we are paying the price. all of us. and intel has basically frauded its way to this point.

we could have been looking at a much different technological landscape today, if otherwise. with the software, games, apps to match that technological landscape.
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I'm more interested in what actually makes BD perform (or not), though, as in its design. We know Intel did shady things and it hurt AMD, but what I'm looking at is the actual design of the chip that AMD just released. The things that led to the design are irrelevant, this is the design that they produced and that we are now looking at.
    
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As soon as AMD looked like a threat Intel would attack them any way that they could to try to stop them climbing back up again .
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As soon as AMD looked like a threat Intel would attack them any way that they could to try to stop them climbing back up again .
Intel has said numerous times it hasn't considered Amd a threat in a long time. Intel keeps making amazing products. What has Amd done in the past 3 years?
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As for what went wrong -
I believe from various things I have read about it .
The Pipeline is too long .
The Cache latency is excessive .
The L3 Cache is too large causing excess current draw .
Too much of the structure of the modules is shared .
The L1 cache is too small
There are quite a few other things as well but a can not remember them .
Any one of these things are minor but when combined are a major problem and most likely difficult to rectify - and expensive !
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Intel has said numerous times it hasn't considered Amd a threat in a long time. Intel keeps making amazing products. What has Amd done in the past 3 years?
Tried to claw back some of the market share Intel stole while at the same time working on a shoe string budget !
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