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Intel has said numerous times it hasn't considered Amd a threat in a long time. Intel keeps making amazing products. What has Amd done in the past 3 years?
if you could just bribe manufacturers to not use your competitors' chip when at its strongest, and get away with it, you wouldnt consider anyone a threat.

for if any threat comes up, you could just pull of something similar again. and pay off a comparably ridiculous fine in an american court.

american legal system is properly crooked for that. a lot of companies do the same thing. take bp. ruined an entire ecosystem, and what happened ? nothing. some reparations and billions of profits.

i dont think that as long as this kind of thing is doable, we will have any decent competition in tech sector. which will bite us, the customer in the ass.
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The biggest failure was marketing. The second biggest failure is a lack of intelligence and appreciation of context on the side of consumers (which gets back to marketing). No one wants to sit and comprehensively read through reviews. They like to see colorful bar charts and draw unsubstantiated uneducated conclusions from them, despite no correlation between the bar chart results and actual real-world performance.

BD is a fine processor, especially for people outside of the computer hardware enthusiast community. Lots of real-world benchmarks (synthetics are meaningless) .
Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Where is your proof forgot it, your dog ate, or are you trolling? Bring something anything at all?

Here is news flash for you every piece of software is synthetic, every one.
Show me one that is not. BD is server chip no one cares least of all AMD.
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Here is news flash for you every piece of software is synthetic, every one..
that is only if you have reading comprehension problems.

'synthetic' in this context means, software made only for purposes of benchmarking, using numerous aspects that are not used in normal real-life programs and situations.
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Intel has said numerous times it hasn't considered Amd a threat in a long time. Intel keeps making amazing products. What has Amd done in the past 3 years?
Made amazing and affordable products?

I'm not sure if this county's prices simply favour AMD or what, but as far as price/performance ratio goes, Intel really doesn't seem that attractive. Unless Core i3 2130 really does perform better than a 6-core Phenom (X6 1045T, they cost about the same at PCCG) (of course, Intel boards cost more too). But given that I need virtualisation which Intel CPUs that happen to fall in my budget simply don't have, I have essentially no choice but to go AMD.

Back when I was building my previous machine in the 65nm Phenom era, I was stuck in the same predicament. As it happened, the X3 that I bought was ~$20 cheaper than C2D 7200, the only Intel chip I would have considered (the only cheaper ones were Celerons and the next more expensive one would have made my parents burst in tears), and it happened to have virtualisation, so it was a no brainer for me. I know I'm just a very special minority, but AMD really does make better priced chips for my needs, and I think that damn well qualifies as "doing something".
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Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Where is your proof forgot it, your dog ate, or are you trolling? Bring something anything at all?

Here is news flash for you every piece of software is synthetic, every one.
Show me one that is not. BD is server chip no one cares least of all AMD.
Sure, no problem. Here: http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx...ance-review/10

It shows Crysis 2 performance with the 8120, 2600k, 980x, and a few others. The 8120 nets only 2fps average less than the 2600k at 1920x1080, and this is clearly not a situation of being GPU-bound. There are many more instances that show in "real" user instances (interpret: not synthetic benchmarks that indicate nothing more than a theoretical calculation a CPU can accomplish), BD is either on-par or even faster than similar CPU's. It's just that no one wants to sift through it all, and it paints an unfortunate picture. Thanks for proving my previous points beautifully, by the way.

edit--And yes, there are other instances where BD is also slower in "actual" applications too. I don't mean to paint a picture that says BD doesn't underperform, only that it doesn't ALWAYS underperform, like what many people like to say.
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Made amazing and affordable products?

I'm not sure if this county's prices simply favour AMD or what, but as far as price/performance ratio goes, Intel really doesn't seem that attractive. Unless Core i3 2130 really does perform better than a 6-core Phenom (X6 1045T, they cost about the same at PCCG) (of course, Intel boards cost more too). But given that I need virtualisation which Intel CPUs that happen to fall in my budget simply don't have, I have essentially no choice but to go AMD.
In the US intel really isn't expensive. Down under is probably a different story
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Shhh. Don't take things out of context.

Or all hell will break lose.

I was wondering how a 2600k and a 8120/50 would fare under my uses. I run about a bajillion and a half programs at once.

Someone needs to get two systems side by side, and use a macro or something to launch 20 or so programs a the same time, and run benchmarks or something in each at the same time and see what the final numbers would be.

That would be interesting.
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In the US intel really isn't expensive. Down under is probably a different story
In Aus
$199 for a 1100T
$369 for a 2600k
and AMD mobos are usually cheaper too .
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A lot of Shoulda Woulda Coulda. AMD has always been the victim in this game. If it is not INTEL, it is NVIDIA, etc. AMD is the 6 year old bullied by the 16 year olds. We should all buy BD because AMD loves us and don't care about the money. They live off our happiness! AMD plays fair everyone else cheats, etc.

Whenever there is a problem with an AMD chip, 100 excuses show up and try to tell you to shut one eye and buy it. When INTEL does not perform, overpriced POS! ... Love how this whole thing works
 
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Intel has said numerous times it hasn't considered Amd a threat in a long time. Intel keeps making amazing products. What has Amd done in the past 3 years?
UM, That is basically what the previous poster was getting at. Intel put the hurt on AMD by shady dealings with other companies. Thus making Intel the dominate figure in the market and costing billions to the smaller company which in turn stopped AMD from having the funding for R&D. Therefore AMD started to make inferior products because the R&D budget had to be cut. So exactly what you said in your quote was because Intel had dirty dealings with companies.(Not saying the other companies were not to blame as well but Intel initiated the dealings under the table.) So AMD has not been a threat in some time so Intel doesn't need to worry about them nor do they need to innovate the way they would if AMD had not lost all that revenue. Understand now?

Personally my next chip will be an Ivey bridge so don't go all fanboy on me K.
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