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So today i was asked to help find some lenses for a 5dmk2 by my pops..

hes got this
5dmk2
24-105 f/4
100-400 f/4.5-5.6


Now he is wanting to sell his 100-400 as he barely uses it...(really he got it and maybe shot with it for snowboarding twice..and he did not like it at all)

So now trying to suggest some lenses that he could get with the money he gets from selling the 100-400 lens..

Im thinking
50mm f/1.4
200mm f/2.8L

But he really wants a 70-200L IS f/2.8
which is super expensive

Now these are from Canon Lenses..so i dont know about tokina lenses on the 5dmk2 or sigma..he doesnt want to go with sigma but i told him its good quality been watching video shot with it and it looks good..(dont watch the edited videos try to find raw videos)

I even told him to go to Sedona to go test out some lenses at one of the shops down there to see how they handle and what not to get a feel for each..but he wont because he is worried that the sensors or something will get messed up if he Does Not Use an "L" Series Lens...

Which also brings me to another question...
What is L Series Lens...?
Im reading mixed things about them..

Know they are the Top quality of Glass they market...
Have better then EFS lenses in Image Stabilization
Better Contrast and colors...
im just confused as to Why he can not use a normal Non-L Series Glass (of course not the EFS) he would have to use the EF lenses....

Ive also read that the crop for a full frame is great for portraits which is why i would like him to get a 50mm prime lens

So this is the kind of photography:
Climbing, Biking, Snowboarding, Kayaking, and all around Massive Mountains and such like that very outdoors style..
With that being said it seems that only "L" series from canon are capable of handling what he wants to do because of the image stabilizer...

im up for any company that you suggest...even if it requires getting nikon lenses and get an adapter to use them on the 5dmk2...

Thanks for whatever help you throw out will deffinitly have it written down for him to look at as well as me to study upon..
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post #2 of 21
I am having a really hard time convincing myself I'm sober when reading your post.

There's so many things to address there, and tons of misconceptions. If it weren't 4 hours before I have to get up for work, I could elaborate. Do yourself a favor and tell your father to go to a camera store himself. Find what he wants.
post #3 of 21
L lenses just mean 'luxury'. In most cases they are higher quality lenses. He won't hurt his sensor at all. It really does depend what focal length he wants or needs.
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Which also brings me to another question...
What is L Series Lens...?
The L-series are Canon's "luxury" lens line. They're the highest quality lenses Canon offers. Basically, it goes like this:

Non-USM = Entry-level, e.g. 18-55mm IS, 75-300mm, 55-250mm IS, 50mm f/1.8

USM = Consumer/Mainstream, e.g. 50mm f/1.4, 15-85mm, 70-300mm. Identifiable by gold ring around lens.

L = Luxury/high end, e.g. 50mm f/1.2, 24-70mm, 70-200mm. Identifiable by red ring around lens, and white body in teles.

L lenses offer better optics, weather sealing, larger/constant apertures, and are all around extremely sweet lenses. They're also created with corner sharpness in mind for better image quality on full frame sensors (cropped sensors only peek at the center of the optics, where IQ is best, so corner sharpness isn't an issue for lenses usually paired with cropped sensors).

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Know they are the Top quality of Glass they market...
Have better then EFS lenses in Image Stabilization
Better Contrast and colors...
Top quality glass that Canon offers. There will be debate as to third party glass being better or not than Canon. I'm not too familiar with this, but essentially it's the best glass Canon offers, not best overall.

IS is usually better than consumer and entry-level lenses, and not strictly limited to EF-S lenses. For example, the 70-200 f/2.8 IS has a newer IS system than the EF 28-135mm.

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im just confused as to Why he can not use a normal Non-L Series Glass (of course not the EFS) he would have to use the EF lenses....
He's wrong here. He's not limited to L lenses. Any EF lens from Canon will mount on his camera, including the 50mm f/1.4 (and the Sigma 50mm f/1.4, for that matter, but more on that later). That said, the L lenses will offer better image quality for the most part, but again it's not required and it won't ruin his camera or lens nor will he run into compatibility issues.

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Ive also read that the crop for a full frame is great for portraits which is why i would like him to get a 50mm prime lens
I'd go for something longer myself, like an 85mm. Keep the crop factor in mind, so a 50mm on a crop body will have a much narrower FoV than on a FF, so with a 50mm he'll be closer to the subject on his 5D II than he will on a crop body.

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So this is the kind of photography:
Climbing, Biking, Snowboarding, Kayaking, and all around Massive Mountains and such like that very outdoors style..
With that being said it seems that only "L" series from canon are capable of handling what he wants to do because of the image stabilizer...
I agree and disagree. I don't think IS is the issue here. He'd be fine using non-IS lenses properly. I think the bigger issue will be the weather, and I'd go with an L lens for the weather sealing in these types of environments.

Going to what you said above regarding portraits, it doesn't sound like he shoots many of them. The 5DII is great for portraits, definitely, but if he's not going to shoot portraits don't grab him equipment with portraiture in mind.

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Originally Posted by odin2free View Post
im up for any company that you suggest...even if it requires getting nikon lenses and get an adapter to use them on the 5dmk2...
For an outdoors guy, I think the 70-200mm f/2.8 L is a great choice too. A 35L or 50L will do well too.
post #5 of 21
Everything he said^

I would love a 70-200 2.8 myself, he should get one since he wants/does sports shots.
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I am having a really hard time convincing myself I'm sober when reading your post.

There's so many things to address there, and tons of misconceptions. If it weren't 4 hours before I have to get up for work, I could elaborate. Do yourself a favor and tell your father to go to a camera store himself. Find what he wants.
Ha, I do need to learn to type properly. I apologize for that.
(no not being a douche when i say that i really do mean it i need to learn to type and write and speak fluently, specially since i was born and raised english speaking...)
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post #7 of 21
how bout an wide lens? since he does outdoors

16-35 f2.8L ? (idk much about canon. maybe there are cheaper alternatives)
or yeah. . get the 70-200 IS
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post #8 of 21
35L, Sigma 50 and done. NEXT.
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My son and daughter live in Sedona, son's a fireman/paramedic there (fwiw).

Say what you want, Sigma has quality control issues. front/back focusing is the most popular requiring people to return their brand new lenses for calibration.

The new Canon 70-200 2.8 is supposed to be a beautiful piece of glass. If $$$ isn't an issue, I'd go that route. Quality glass will always beautify his images and it holds it's value well.

I've driven from Sedona to Flagg many times. Stunning part of the country.
    
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Not everybody has problems with Sigma lenses. While you may need to send it in for calibration, there's a decent chance (in my experience) that you wont need to (I haven't had to with any of my new lenses, purchased a 10-20 and a 17-50, both were tack sharp, even wide open and on the outer points). One strategy people recommend is buying used from people who have already had the lenses calibrated, but I find this to be just as daunting as a new purchase, since technically the Sigma warranties are not transferable.
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