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post #11 of 21
i wrote a long post and ocn logged me out and i lost it.... so now cliffnotes...

No one can really give a good suggestion until you talk to your dad and ask his this simple question.

"What does my current setup not do for me?"

Let me elaborate and ask a follow up. What is wrong with my current set up? So far you've mentioned 3 top tier items he has, so it makes me believe he just started photography and is more worried about getting the best gear than actual photography. Let him play with his lenses a little more and find out what his missing. What kinda shots does he wanna take? Landscape? action? I don't know too many people that hike with a 70-200mm. Its just too dang heavy. I know people that use a 70-300mm hiking when I know they have a 70-200mm at home.

My buddy usually takes, a nice wide angle, a fast prime, and something like a 70-300mm. Keeps his pack light. Trekking around with 20-30 lbs with a camera gear, on top of what you have to carry is not a good idea. But different strokes for diff folks. I loved my 70-200mm, but i never really used it as much as i liked, so i sold it.


p.s. I have a few sigmas. They were ok, but they always had something weird about them. My last siggy (50mm f1.4) autofocus was always off.
Edited by soymilk - 10/25/11 at 8:01am
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post #12 of 21
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He does sports photos specially climbing..
Hes been backpacking and Rock Climbing for 25+ so its not an issue of weight...

He just wants more lights really..but he barely uses the 100-400 its kinda annoying..its a beast though...

Anybody have suggestions about Tokina i know they have the FX series for full frame cameras but only have one lens that i saw on the website and around the web...Everybody has the 11-16mm, I personally own the AT-x Fisheye lens(Its really nice)

IM open for options...i will let him know to just go to a camera shop and test out lenses for a day on his camera rent some and bam figure which one he likes the most...

All i know is he wants tons of flashes tons of alien b hoods stands all the works just so he has a studio to work in...which is kind of ridiculous because he has yet to do any kind of buisness..thats my worry with it i dont want him to spend hella amounts of money when he is barely ever going to use it trying to convince him of not getting all this stuff that i know hell never use (like the 100-400 lens)...Its just a waist of money, specially if doing sports pics your not goin to carry that much stuff youll have better luck just carrying flashes and remotes for the flashes...not a heavy alien b strobe..


So yes its weather he has the best equipment before he takes what he think will be best photography...its kinda annoying
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post #13 of 21
Tell your dad to give me his 5D mk2 for my Rebel XT.

but honestly, there are a couple of problems with this situation. Aside from the fact it seems like your dad is throwing away money, I'm not too certain he's very knowledgeable about photography which is very important. In my opinion you need to know the technicalities behind the technology in order to be able to predict the outcome of your shots. Even if you throw this thought out, you as the photographer should know what kind of lens suits him and should know what lens to get before even selling his old one.

But I'm surprised your dad is not happy with the 24-105. If he wants the 70-200mm IS 2.8 get him the 70-200 f/4. If you're really feeling loving towards your dad suggest the 70-200 IS f/4. Also buy him that 50mm 1.4 It's a superb lens and the 35mm sensor on that 5D mk2 uses all of it's canon goodness. You really don't need the 70-200 2.8 IS unless you make money from your shots.
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Tell your dad to give me his 5D mk2 for my Rebel XT.

but honestly, there are a couple of problems with this situation. Aside from the fact it seems like your dad is throwing away money, I'm not too certain he's very knowledgeable about photography which is very important. In my opinion you need to know the technicalities behind the technology in order to be able to predict the outcome of your shots. Even if you throw this thought out, you as the photographer should know what kind of lens suits him and should know what lens to get before even selling his old one.

But I'm surprised your dad is not happy with the 24-105. If he wants the 70-200mm IS 2.8 get him the 70-200 f/4. If you're really feeling loving towards your dad suggest the 70-200 IS f/4. Also buy him that 50mm 1.4 It's a superb lens and the 35mm sensor on that 5D mk2 uses all of it's canon goodness. You really don't need the 70-200 2.8 IS unless you make money from your shots.
Last time I checked, GoneTomorrow (Our humble leader on the Photo section) doesn't make a whole lot of $ on his prints, but he still shoots 35L/5Dii/etc.. using the argument that 'you dont need 70-200 f/2.8L if you're not making money off of it' doesn't fly on OCN mostly because most of the people here are enthusiasts, and the very credo by which the site operates is 'the pursuit of performance'.

In terms of performance, the 70-200 F/2.8L is one of the best performing telephoto zooms that Canon makes. Yeah, it's expensive, but so isn't the 50 f/1.0 (north of $5000 on the used market currently). If it came down to a choice between the 2.8 and the f/4L IS, I would pick the 2.8 any day of the week, hands down. Hell, I'm currently looking at charging one that's a decent deal from a reputable dealer (~$1140 shipped about) and selling my 70-200 F/4L after the fact (even if it means my wife murders me in my sleep with an axe).

This whole topic is flawed. We've been told what the father 'likes', but he shoots different stuff 'apparently'. He like sports like rock-climbing, but then they go on to talk about getting lights, etc, for portraiture. This thread needs a bit of clarity to get some good recommendations, specifically these to start:

1) what the gear will actually be used for
2) an approximate budget (MB edit -- ok, it looks like we have an approximate budget - the proceeds from the sale of a 100-400. I figure this to be about $1250 net. A clarification of what the gear will be used for would still be good though.

Then, maybe, we can make some sound recommendations.
Edited by MistaBernie - 10/27/11 at 7:32am
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post #16 of 21
I have so much crap and I make nothing.
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I think the 50mm 1.0 was more of an exotic lens more than a practical performance lens. No need for 1.0 aperture other than to brag about it. The lens was way to soft. Only a handful of pictures could probably benefit from it and thats assuming it's in the right hands. Even the 50mm 1.2 is kind of pushing it, though it is more useful. But as far as the 50mm series goes, despite the fact build quality goes up with price range they are all great performers. I've seen people use the 50mm 1.8 on 5ds because it's sharper. I guess it all comes down to whether you really want the performance difference between the 70-200 f/4 and the 2.8, and whether it's worth paying 4x the amount. But even then. Does he really want to go rock climbing with a heavy 2.8?

But you are right. This thread is a little too broad which can be confusing, this is why I was thinking why the 24-105 isn't making him happy. I have the 24-70 and it's a great all around lens. It's literally the only lens I have because it fills all my needs. there are certainly a lot of applications where other lenses would be better but I can still get away with it.
post #18 of 21
If that doesn't work out Bernie, my coworker has a 70-200 non is he's been trying to sell. Let me know if you're interested. I have other credentials on various photo forums if you need. (since I'm new here)
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Last time I checked, GoneTomorrow (Our humble leader on the Photo section) doesn't make a whole lot of $ on his prints, but he still shoots 35L/5Dii/etc.. using the argument that 'you dont need 70-200 f/2.8L if you're not making money off of it' doesn't fly on OCN mostly because most of the people here are enthusiasts, and the very credo by which the site operates is 'the pursuit of performance'.

In terms of performance, the 70-200 F/2.8L is one of the best performing telephoto zooms that Canon makes. Yeah, it's expensive, but so isn't the 50 f/1.0 (north of $5000 on the used market currently). If it came down to a choice between the 2.8 and the f/4L IS, I would pick the 2.8 any day of the week, hands down. Hell, I'm currently looking at charging one that's a decent deal from a reputable dealer (~$1140 shipped about) and selling my 70-200 F/4L after the fact (even if it means my wife murders me in my sleep with an axe).

This whole topic is flawed. We've been told what the father 'likes', but he shoots different stuff 'apparently'. He like sports like rock-climbing, but then they go on to talk about getting lights, etc, for portraiture. This thread needs a bit of clarity to get some good recommendations, specifically these to start:

1) what the gear will actually be used for
2) an approximate budget (MB edit -- ok, it looks like we have an approximate budget - the proceeds from the sale of a 100-400. I figure this to be about $1250 net. A clarification of what the gear will be used for would still be good though.

Then, maybe, we can make some sound recommendations.

Ok, here it is...

He is wanting to do Climbing and Biking(sport) photography and make a magazine for arizona, basically to have all the areas mapped out for people along with pictures of locals who live in arizona and do these outdoor sports..that is his goal..

But the portraits and all that lighting, is for a side job to get the money together to get a magazine buisness set up properly so he can really start doing that..

Dont know if that is clear enough..
I really dont know how to explain it any further...

Im just confused by which he is doing..as much as any of you are by how im trying to explain this situation...

I think im going to have to lay my foot down on him though and tell him to stay with what he has and thatll be that...

Just looking at what you guys are reccomeneding is amazing, i would personally like to become super rich and own one of each one..but i would not use many of them because well i dont need to...

Im thinking that basically im going to tell him to save his money to get instead a russian lady friend in a nice weather controlled crate so she can be nice and fresh for him when she comes over the boarder...(yes that was me trying to be funny)


Thanks again i will look at these reccomendations tonight and send him them have a good list written down for him to look at...
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post #20 of 21
If he is going to do portraits then a prime lens is almost a must! Most people prefer 85mm, but it's still do able with 50mm. Try to get the 85mm 1.4 if the budget is tight. If not then the 85mm L hands down.
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