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Popularity has positively nothing to do with the outcome of cases like this. A good legal team and a legit case are all you need.

Close, but knowing lawers (and I do know layers) it is more like "A good legal team, knowing the judge personally and an even-slightly-legit-seeming-if-you-don't-look-too-closely case are all you need."

Law isn't about what is right or wrong, it is about what you can prove. Or buy.
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Well in the real world, companies don't have to literally invent their IP. They can also acquire it. So your point is completely moot. It's not like Apple applied for this patent yesterday, they did it before anyone else did.

And at the end of the day, that's all your upset about. You wouldnt be complaining if Google or anyone else won the patent.

Be mad at MS...they make more money off of Android than anyone.


Shamelessly making money off of a product is different than trying to get it completely removed from the marketplace. Android has been driven nearly all of the innovation and hardware advancements (like high res screens, dual core processors, NFC, HSPA, LTE, HDMI out, the tablet formfactor, laptop docks etc...) on the market since Apple's initial idea of "lets take Windows Mobile and combine it with Blackberry OS and make it not suck."

I'd hate to see Android disappear. Even your precious iPhone would be a shadow of it's current self had Android not paved the way.
    
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And just like multitouch, Apple didn't invent the unlock gesture. Just because you make something popular doesn't mean you have exclusive rights to it, especially when its not your idea. I mean, using your logic Intel could have patented the multi-core processor. Just like Apple they neither invented it or were the first to sell one. They just made it popular.

That is great in an ideal world. Unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal world. We live in a world where the current patent system (per patent reform) is whoever is the first to file for a patent after inventing it. That means it does not matter if company X or Y invented it first, as long as they did not file for a patent.

Currently, the patent system is critically flawed in a few notable areas:

1. A lack of a clear set of guidelines of what can and cannot be filed for as a patent
2. A lack of understanding by patent personnel of what should constitute as patent worthy
3. Short of spending a lot of money to fast track the patent process, the process will take a super long time. Even with money, it is still a long and convoluted.

The problem is, because patents are essentially legal proofs for inventions and inventions are in theory new, so it is very hard to come up with any specific set of patent guidelines. You also have to consider what type of patent is being filed as well. If one is unable to come up with set guidelines, that will leave a lot of room to interpretation. Also, the sheer number of patents that are processed each day is incredible. To properly train amount of personnel needed to properly decide whether each submitted patent is valid or not would be financially impossible.

EDIT: I just see Apple protecting something they popularized and patented first. There is nothing wrong with that ethically or business wise. You guys want to blame a company, blame all the idiot companies that did not think to patent it first.
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Originally Posted by nathris;15464347 
Shamelessly making money off of a product is different than trying to get it completely removed from the marketplace. Android has been driven nearly all of the innovation and hardware advancements (like high res screens, dual core processors, NFC, HSPA, LTE, HDMI out, the tablet formfactor, laptop docks etc...) on the market since Apple's initial idea of "lets take Windows Mobile and combine it with Blackberry OS and make it not suck."

I'd hate to see Android disappear. Even your precious iPhone would be a shadow of it's current self had Android not paved the way.

Android has driven nearly all the innovation and hardware advancements in the mobile market? I could give a litany of reasons as to how incredibly flawed your reasoning is. It's truly pathetic that you actually believe that.

So there's no sense in debating with someone like you. I've have walls to my left and right that would give a better argument than what you just said.

One thing to take away is though don't be upset because Apple had all these ideas in 2005 that Android knocked off 3 or 4 years later. Apple has every right for a little retribution. That's just the way it works. You can spout whatever rationale you can conjure up in your apple hating brain, but court rulings around the world in favor of Apple's patents speak volumes to the amount of copy-catting Android and it's OEMs have done.
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Hi everyone, here is some more information for you to ignore.
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U.S. patent awards surge in 2010; IBM still tops

patents2010.png

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20027931-264.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by nathris;15464347 
Android has been driven nearly all of the innovation and hardware advancements (like high res screens, dual core processors, NFC, HSPA, LTE, HDMI out, the tablet formfactor, laptop docks etc...) on the market since Apple's initial idea of "lets take Windows Mobile and combine it with Blackberry OS and make it not suck.".

When did Android start making hardware?? In that case I am so thankful for Windows bringing quad-core to my desktop.
Edited by Psykhotic - 10/26/11 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by nathris;15464347 
Shamelessly making money off of a product is different than trying to get it completely removed from the marketplace. Android has been driven nearly all of the innovation and hardware advancements (like high res screens, dual core processors, NFC, HSPA, LTE, HDMI out, the tablet formfactor, laptop docks etc...) on the market since Apple's initial idea of "lets take Windows Mobile and combine it with Blackberry OS and make it not suck."

I'd hate to see Android disappear. Even your precious iPhone would be a shadow of it's current self had Android not paved the way.

I'm not getting into the world of if this is wrong or not but wow! That's so cute that you think "Android" is the one driving high-res screens, dual-cores, HSPA+, NFC, LTE, HDMI out and so-on. And that you think Apple is not developing ANYTHING new. I'm not saying they're responsible for all innovation but based on that previous statement, Apple just tails the market and "Android" develops all the innovating technology.
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Come on guys, it is not one company or another that drives innovation, it is competition. Without it we would have nothing as there would be no drive to produce something new and better.

In the long run this patent, and others like it, may help drive things forward: Instead of sticking to the old way of doing something, people are forced to come up with something new and possibly better.

Imagine this scenario:

X invents craptech system
Y uses craptech system
Users stuck with craptech

And there it would stay until one day...

X patents craptech
Y forced to come up with new system, bettertech
Users get choice, choose bettertech

X uses bettertech
Y patents bettertech
X forced to come up with evenbettertech
Users jump with joy as they get to poke even shinier pieces of plastic whilst ignoring the world round them...

etc etc.


Of course it could just be a way to crush your competitors by patenting something really obvious.
Edited by GingerJohn - 10/26/11 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by Psykhotic;15464465 
Hi everyone, here is some more information for you to ignore.



patents2010.png

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20027931-264.html




When did Android start making hardware?? In that case I am so thankful for Windows bringing quad-core to my desktop.

(IBM actually develops things)
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Ugh... I really think we would all be better off with absolutely no patent or copyright law. Do something better than the other guy and you should be successful, not because litigation prevents the other guy from even competing. Why do patents do besides line the pockets of fat cats in high places while stifling technological progress?
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Originally Posted by refeek;15464612 
(IBM actually develops things)
(So does Samsung, yet Apple fanatics only think Samsung copies).
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