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Originally Posted by girugamesh View Post
Stop drinking the media kool-aid, he was just some rich, manipulative freak who liked to monopolize the market and cripple the industry progress.
Shall we not forget he's one of the founders of both the PC market and industry as it is today.

Stop drinking the hater kool-aid.
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Shall we not forget he's one of the founders of both the PC market and industry as it is today.

Stop drinking the hater kool-aid.
Care to explain your point? How and why exactly was he so important for the industry?
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Shall we not forget he's one of the founders of both the PC market and industry as it is today.

Stop drinking the hater kool-aid.
If Jobs had beaten Gates in the Mac and Pc wars, I'm pretty sure we'd all be worse off.

The open nature of the PC hardware ecosystem fostered intense competition, i daresay the most intense in recent memory.

That competition allowed us the consumer to benefit disproportionately on the hardware front.

In the short period that Apple has dominated the itunes walled garden, we have seen Apple make mindboggling profits, while metering incremental improvements.

You see the same situation with Intel and AMD, once competition waned, the monopolist/oligopolists proceed to make super normal profits.

Already we see Android with its open nature leading the innovation race, so much that Apple is now coopting Android features in the effort to keep up.

Apple makes great products, but they do so while extracting a massive premium.

Like how we wish AMD could compete, rooting for Android is likely better for all, including the Apple faithful.
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Let him die please. Just stop.
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Care to explain your point? How and why exactly was he so important for the industry?
He put a pc in your hand.

He also tolerated horrific labor conditions from subcontractors in order to do so. Nonetheless...

OT: The Dowd article, and some other excerpts from the bio, do paint a sort of sad picture. It's like the person in the world whom he most wanted to impress, and from whom he most wanted affection, was someone he had never met...who wanted to buy an ipod.
Edited by seward - 10/27/11 at 7:50am
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He put a pc in your hand.

He also tolerated horrific labor conditions from subcontractors in order to do do. Nonetheless...

OT: The Dowd article, and some other excerpts from the bio, do paint a sort of sad picture. It's like the person in the world whom he most wanted to impress, and from whom he most wanted affection, was someone he had never met...who wanted to buy an ipod.
sorry but windows mobile put a pc in my hand.

apple just put a shiny case on top of it and made you think that apple was the first to do so due to marketing.

magical thinking, indeed.
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sorry but windows mobile put a pc in my hand.

apple just put a shiny case on top of it and made you think that apple was the first to do so due to marketing.

magical thinking, indeed.
Which one sold more? Which one led the way, in sales and perception, in the creation of the smartphone market - which has more or less put an expiration date on personal desktop computers (much to my chagrin)?

Tell yourself that Windows Mobile has had a fraction of the impact on the personal computing world that the iphone has had.

Just don't say it too loud, or people will think you really are crazy.

Not an Apple fanboy by any means, btw.
Edited by seward - 10/27/11 at 8:20am
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He put a pc in your hand.
??? Some lady from Conn's put this PC in my hands.

Unless you're claiming that jobs was magically there... Which would be creepy.
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Which one sold more? Which one led the way, in sales and perception, in the creation of the smartphone market - which has more or less put an expiration date on personal desktop compurers (much to my chagrin)?

Tell yourself that Windows Mobile has had a fraction of the impact on the personal computing world that the iphone has had.

Just don't say it too loud, or people will think you really are crazy.

Not an Apple fanboy by any means, btw.
None.

And why did you even bring up "sales"? If sales means quality, then why the hell am I not a Justin Bieber fan yet?

Oh, and you know, it wasn't Jobs who made the design of their products, you know that right? And you know he didn't develop it either, right? Yeah, he always had designers, engineers and many other people working for him.

He was just the manager. And saying only he could have done what he did, is a big, grade A fallacy.
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This article was totally devoid of substance. I thought it was going to cite some concrete examples of the limits to his ingenuity, not just say, "Steve Jobs was manic depressive and socially dysfunctional."
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