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You could always use nLite/RTLite to take it out of the installation couldn't you?
The issue at stake with that is errors because all metro programs must use MS's proprietary renderer. This puts the world back in the old IE6 position where developers are forced to develop around the tons of standards that MS doesn't implement, doesn't implement correctly, or proprietary extension. This puts MS in the dangerous position to pressure standards committees to tweak standards to suit the de-facto MS standard or just pressures developers.

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This only seems to be an issue when Microsoft is involved. Can you remove the stock Android browser from most phones(without root)? Can you remove mobile safari from an iPhone or ipad? Can you remove safari from OSX?
There is reason to complain about this in other platforms, but Windows holds the majority OS share on desktop and has a bad history in this area (thus the cause for concern). Further, unlike iOS, Android, or OSX, MS is making the browser a fundamental and required part of the OS that all the other parts rely upon AND forces the use of only MS's browser (as far as I know, none of the others save do this except for iOS browser restrictions).
Edited by hajile - 10/26/11 at 6:13pm
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There is no valid reason to remove IE from a computer.

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There is reason to complain about this in other platforms, but Windows holds the majority OS share on desktop and has a bad history in this area (thus the cause for concern). Further, unlike iOS, Android, or OSX, MS is making the browser a fundamental and required part of the OS that all the other parts rely upon AND forces the use of only MS's browser (as far as I know, none of the others save do this except for iOS browser restrictions).
Since when has MS ever forced the use of their browser? I've been using both Windows and the Internet since W3.1 and that has never been the case.

Seems to me like yet another conspiracy invented by lunatic MS-Haters.
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This.
replace opera with chrome and you have my sentiment
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I use IE9 and Chrome regularly...
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replace opera with chrome and you have my sentiment
You do mean replace Chrome with Opera, yeah? If so, then I agree

I have no real issue with IE. All this monopoly stuff is rubbish, majority of my clients are completely blank when it comes to IT and aren't meant to be using anything other than IE on their provided laptops, yet most have Chrome or Firefox anyway.

Long live Opera.
    
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I'll keep W7 until MS does something properly again.

Also, if they are seriously planning on doing this, I bet my left nut that they're going to be sued the living hell out of 'em by the EU. Eventually coming up with a special EU edition that does allow for uninstalling.
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don't really see the problem with this, tbqh, so long as it doesn't interfere with chrome.

sometimes I still turn to IE when a page won't load properly on chrome and I can't be arsed to fiddle with the settings on the latter.
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There is reason to complain about this in other platforms, but Windows holds the majority OS share on desktop and has a bad history in this area (thus the cause for concern). Further, unlike iOS, Android, or OSX, MS is making the browser a fundamental and required part of the OS that all the other parts rely upon AND forces the use of only MS's browser (as far as I know, none of the others save do this except for iOS browser restrictions).
So if I wanted to develop a new file manager for Windows I could complain to the government about how Microsoft's file manager is tightly integrated into the OS and get it removed from Windows?

Where do we draw the line? If Microsoft wants to incorporate Windows Update into Internet Explorer then why shouldn't they be able to? Its their product. I doubt Mozilla or Google care whether they can put such features into their browser so as long as Microsoft isn't forcing people to use IE as their default browser it shouldn't matter.
    
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I've never seen a need to remove IE from any pc ever. I just install chrome and get on with life...
The program is still on your OS and all it's dll's are still usable. One of the problems with microsoft is they want to use kaidos-pc to authenticate you on the network and not kerbos. Kiados-pc apparently has nearly 0 percent web presence for hacks but is apparently infinitely hackable and someone has a muffler on this.
It's only a problem in windows 7 and 8 which I will never ever ever ever run. And I don't care if you're cia, fbi or who you are. You're little kaidos pc hacks are not ever going to stay in your proprietary hands.
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There is no valid reason to remove IE from a computer.

Since when has MS ever forced the use of their browser? I've been using both Windows and the Internet since W3.1 and that has never been the case.

Seems to me like yet another conspiracy invented by lunatic MS-Haters.
The new UI is coded in Javascript and HTML5 (both are fast moving targets BTW). These new programs/UI's will be executed by MS browser technology only. If someone wants to run Windows 8, then he or she must run MS's browser.

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So if I wanted to develop a new file manager for Windows I could complain to the government about how Microsoft's file manager is tightly integrated into the OS and get it removed from Windows?

Where do we draw the line? If Microsoft wants to incorporate Windows Update into Internet Explorer then why shouldn't they be able to? Its their product. I doubt Mozilla or Google care whether they can put such features into their browser so as long as Microsoft isn't forcing people to use IE as their default browser it shouldn't matter.
My answer to this would be that "that's the court's decision." If it were mine, things would be much, much different. That said, the court clearly ruled a few years ago that they believed very firmly that the line was drawn at the browser. If the line is legally drawn here (morals, opinions, and facts aside), then this is where the Reductio ad absurdum stops and real discussion of this topic (rather than generic off-topic debate) begins.

Free market vs whatever is for another time and place (off-topic section maybe, but another forum specialising in that area most likely)
Edited by hajile - 10/26/11 at 8:35pm
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