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OK. I'm just confused by the last couple of days in my life with Linux. Right now I'm doing something on a netbook that my desktop with a GTX275 couldn't seem to do even with proprietary drivers installed, run an openGL compositing session without massive lag. This is insane! How can Kubuntu running from an ancient 1GB flash drive on an Atom netbook perform better than my freaking gaming computer? The only other thing that baffles me is that Bodhi is now broken and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. I'm scared to install any distro and now terrified to update any. What the hell is going on with October? What happened to my stable world of Linux that was faster, easier and better than windows?
     
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Reinstall the nvidia drivers (from repo or from the ones from nvidia site.)

there are several updates i've noticed lately that have been in debian testing and ubuntu (mainly xorg ones), that screw up the opengl libs for nvidia.
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Is your Atom overclocking itself? Say to 6GHz?
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Reinstall the nvidia drivers (from repo or from the ones from nvidia site.)

there are several updates i've noticed lately that have been in debian testing and ubuntu (mainly xorg ones), that screw up the opengl libs for nvidia.
Any idea why it would cause massive RAM usage and slow downs in both Xrender and openGL? I tried doing the x-swat repo files twice (reinstalling drivers) and on the third time it caused a no GUI start and deleted xorg config (I didn't do anything different). Should I just get rid of nouveau (what's your recommendation on purging that evil virus or why to make sure it's gone?) then install the binary from nvidia the "hard way" or try using x-swat again? Also, when did MESA get compositing powers (when I went without nouveau or nvidia drivers it went to MESA)?

I'm sorry if these are things I should know.


@chemicalfan: LOL. I wish. On a aggrevating note this will likely delay my testing from the other thread for a while. I might even have to hold off until xmas as I need to get refocused on school and keeping my distros from dying.

PS: Sorry guys I know I probably have a few threads like this but you're often the most helpful source and I'm a general user who just likes things to work.
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It could be Xorg itself, there going through major changes and so the "bleeding edge" updates tend to break the drivers. I've noticed this myself, I had to go back to the original Xorg 7.2 or whatever it was (7.5?? In win ATM).
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Any idea why it would cause massive RAM usage and slow downs in both Xrender and openGL? I tried doing the x-swat repo files twice (reinstalling drivers) and on the third time it caused a no GUI start and deleted xorg config (I didn't do anything different). Should I just get rid of nouveau (what's your recommendation on purging that evil virus or why to make sure it's gone?) then install the binary from nvidia the "hard way" or try using x-swat again? Also, when did MESA get compositing powers (when I went without nouveau or nvidia drivers it went to MESA)?

<snip>
It could cause those problems. it usually just disables compositing, but the times it don't. i get horrible window rendering, screen tearing when moving windows, and anything requires opengl, simply will not run or crash (i have noticed increased cpu usage.)

the only way to get rid of nouveau is to recompile the kernel without it (as for whatever reason they want to roll it up inside the kernel, instead of making it a module.) you can disable the kernel from using it tho.

Code:
echo options nouveau modeset=0 | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau-kms.conf

sudo update-initramfs -u

sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-*
restart.

choose recovery mode (choose the remount option when it comes to the recovery menu, then choose the netroot option on the recovery menu when it comes back.)

then navigate to where the nvidia's run file is located.

Code:
chmod +x NVIDA*.run (at the asterisk hit tab button if its there it will auto fill in the rest.)

./NVIDIA* (at the asterisk hit the tab, will autofill the rest, hit enter.)
this isn't really the ideal way, as you will need to reinstall the driver on each kernel update, and still with any xorg updates.
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It could cause those problems. it usually just disables compositing, but the times it don't. i get horrible window rendering, screen tearing when moving windows, and anything requires opengl, simply will not run or crash (i have noticed increased cpu usage.)

the only way to get rid of nouveau is to recompile the kernel without it (as for whatever reason they want to roll it up inside the kernel, instead of making it a module.) you can disable the kernel from using it tho.

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echo options nouveau modeset=0 | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau-kms.conf

sudo update-initramfs -u

sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-*
restart.

choose recovery mode (choose the remount option when it comes to the recovery menu, then choose the netroot option on the recovery menu when it comes back.)

then navigate to where the nvidia's run file is located.

Code:
chmod +x NVIDA*.run (at the asterisk hit tab button if its there it will auto fill in the rest.)

./NVIDIA* (at the asterisk hit the tab, will autofill the rest, hit enter.)
this isn't really the ideal way, as you will need to reinstall the driver on each kernel update, and still with any xorg updates.
All I noticed was bad performance(tearing/slowdowns) and seriously huge RAM usage; like 2GBs and more. So it's a conflict between the nvidia driver and openGL that explains why my netbook could run KDE compositing better?

Hmm...should I just wait it out until the openGL problem is solved (does this have anything to do with that openGLES push that was made)? I just finally got Bodhi with PAE working on the desktop so I'm a bit reluctant now to go throwing it out.

I'll use your nouveau method when I decide to get the driver working here. It looks more cohesive than the guide I was using before from here:
http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...opic=3117178.0
What are your thoughts on the x-swat (nvidia) repo? Use it or make myself?

I was reading somewhere about the whole politics on why they did that with nouveau; it's one thing to support OSS, it's another to punish users.

PS: As always you're a godsend with info.

@mushroomboy: Don't tell me there's another area to blame. I'm barely keeping up with the openGL nvidia problem. Plus, keeping one package back is something I'm not familiar with since I've never had to do it as everything has just worked or been fixed before. I feel like I've entered the Vista era/zone of Linux or something.
     
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All I noticed was bad performance(tearing/slowdowns) and seriously huge RAM usage; like 2GBs and more. So it's a conflict between the nvidia driver and openGL that explains why my netbook could run KDE compositing better?

Hmm...should I just wait it out until the openGL problem is solved (does this have anything to do with that openGLES push that was made)? I just finally got Bodhi with PAE working on the desktop so I'm a bit reluctant now to go throwing it out.

I'll use your nouveau method when I decide to get the driver working here. It looks more cohesive than the guide I was using before from here:
http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...opic=3117178.0
What are your thoughts on the x-swat (nvidia) repo? Use it or make myself?

I was reading somewhere about the whole politics on why they did that with nouveau; it's one thing to support OSS, it's another to punish users.

PS: As always you're a godsend with info.

@mushroomboy: Don't tell me there's another area to blame. I'm barely keeping up with the openGL nvidia problem. Plus, keeping one package back is something I'm not familiar with since I've never had to do it as everything has just worked or been fixed before. I feel like I've entered the Vista era/zone of Linux or something.
it might be that xorg's glx (i think that is what they are called) libs, are breaking the openGL32 libs of the nvidia drivers, which could be causing the problem.

its happened to me about 4 times in the last 3 months on ubuntu, it was happening every 3 or 4 days on debian testing. you might benefit from watching what is being upgraded during the updates, to find the exact problem.
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Geee ain't updates with auto-dependency uber convenient and quicker and easier than stodgy old, time-consuming Slackware <sarc>. TANSTAAFL gents, TANSTAAFL
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Geee ain't updates with auto-dependency uber convenient and quicker and easier than stodgy old, time-consuming Slackware <sarc>. TANSTAAFL gents, TANSTAAFL
I would gloat too. I'm at the end of my day that I set aside to get Linux up and running on my computers and so I'm here using Bodhi on both. Hopefully, I'll pay more attention and things won't break as schools demanding more time.

@transhour: I hadn't noticed any problems until I moved to 11.10. I think it's funny considering I got laughed at for saying I was thinking about holding off on switching over. Oh well, onto a new DE and experience I guess. Now I just have to remember to do dist-upgrade now or manually update ecore so Enlightenment stays happy.

Thanks guys for sitting through this thread. Maybe around xmas I'll have time to install Kubuntu again.
     
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Kubuntu SLAX 1280x600 + Dell 15inch Excellent! 
PowerCase
6 cells=6-12hrs and a charger 1001P MU17 Black 
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Intel Core m3-6Y30 Intel HD515 8GB 1866DDR3L Micron M600 MTFDDAV256MBF M.2, 256 GB 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Fanless Win10 Home x64 Kubuntu 16.04 (requires Linux kernel 4.5/4.6) 13.3 inch 16:9, 1920x1080 pixel, AU Optronics A... 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AthlonIIX4 640 3.62GHz (250x14.5) 2.5GHz NB Asus M4A785TD-M EVO MSI GTX275 (Stock 666) 8GBs of GSkill 1600 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
4GBs of Adata 1333 Kingston HyperX 3k 120GB WD Caviar Black 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
LG 8X BDR (WHL08S20) Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Kubuntu x64 Windows 7 x64 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Bodhi Linux x64 Acer G215H (1920x1080) Seasonic 520 HAF912 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
N450 1.8GHz AC and 1.66GHz batt ASUS proprietary for 1001P GMA3150 (can play bluray now!?) 1GB DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSOS
160GB LGLHDLBDRE32X Bodhi Linux Fedora LXDE 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Kubuntu SLAX 1280x600 + Dell 15inch Excellent! 
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