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Should be in the water cooling section not air cooling section....I guess that's what I get for starting my day before noon.. I asked for it to be moved, no h8 please.

I've been wandering around here for year and never been interested in WC until recently...


I have currently a Q6600 and a GTX 480 that I would like to cool. In the future if I had to guess this will turn into an i5-2500K (or possibly a BD chip if the price is right by that time) and a second GTX 480. Who knows, RAM or mobo cooling too maybe but I'm not counting on it.

I have a TT Armor case currently and I don't plan on getting rid of it. I also don't want any WC equipment other than blocks/hoses inside of it if I can help it. This way I can minimize the chances of things leaking. I can also have room to work inside of the PC if I want. If I leave just a little bit of slack I would think I can take out the GPU and mobo with out draining the loop (until I add more blocks). The case I have now has 4 holes punched in it below where the power supply would sit so I can get in and out. I plan on constructing a frame basically to hold up to 3 or 4 360MM Rads or maybe 480 but probably not, somewhere to mount one or two pumps (depends on tops I go with), and hold a res. This way I can just run in the tubes.


I think the WC case will be neat. It's most likely going to be a N00bLaR creation after a trip to lowes to hold this stuff in place. I think it'll be nice because while I wont start with 4 rads like the picture, I'll build it with space for them. I could also add enough space to say drop a rad in a bucket of ice on occasion if I wanted...lol. I might be a little paranoid about leaks... If I do this, I will make some sort of collection plate to go beneath the CPU block (just incase) that is angled down to dump water on the case floor just after the GPU. Will probably acrylic or something lightweight easily moved by me. The GPU block I have I am not so worried about because of the way it mounts / accepts / receives water. I'll worry about it when I get a second GPU.


Question time:

1.) Are there disadvantages to this? At first look I can't think of any except maybe increased length of tubing? (does that really matter?)

2.) If I do this, is there any advantage to coming in and out of the case twice? EX: Port 1: in to CPU, Port 2: out to rad, Port 3 into GPU, Port 4 out to rad VS. one in/out cpu block to gpu block.

3.) I will probably want to use a second power supply dedicated to the WC system since it will not be in the case with the primary PSU. (might be a foot or two away). Is there any problems that can arise short or long term if I "jump" a current 24 pin PSU to run the pump/s and fans and maybe a fan controller?

4.) Pumps. I have read a great thread around somewhere about "what can my pump handle". I can either go with one pump and no extra top, an extra top, or two pumps of some combination. If I choose one pump like in the pic, will that be OK considering the path the water is taking? Should I go for two pumps? One inside of the WC case and one inside of the PC case? (or two pumps inside of WC case).

What will I buy? I don't really know yet.. New / Used doesn't matter except for the pump to me... Depending on usage I might look at a used pump maybe not. I have 4x AFB1212VHEs (don't know which revision but they move a lot of air) and 2 NIDEC TA450s and many misc 120MM fans that aren't that great at moving air. I'll probably use the deltas and the two NIDECs and maybe look into more fans for another rad. I don't know if I will want push pull but at the very least in this config push. I'm thinking about starting with one 480 or maybe two 360s or two 480s if the price is right.. Don't know which brand / model yet. I would like to get the XSPC Raystorm block (I'm almost sure that I wont buy a BD, if I do I jump that hurdle when I get there). I was thinking about buying two pumps from here OR one better pump (65something? from MCP). As for the res, does it really matter what I buy? I think at this point its really just what do I think looks best, isn't it?

I have attached a picture of what I was thinking about below (one pump scenario). And to think that I almost bought an h50 last month.....lol

Comments, concerns please lemme know.

Edited by Mr.N00bLaR - 10/27/11 at 6:52am
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if you sandy bridge, it'll be a great upgrade for you...

now for the watercooling
1. tubing yes it matters to a point..if the pump has good head pressure it will work fine..but its always better for shorter tubing unless you cant otherwise make routing convieniant for you.
2. again doesnt matter just make sure the routing is in an orderly matter. if thete is so much tubing all over the place could lead to some headaches.
3. for a big loop ppl are using two pump for redundancy but if planned right all you need is one..*remember always have pump fed with water ALWAYS!!!

i am on my phone so kinda hard to post! so excuse me..
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1: Lets say if the tubbing is longer than 2 meters you should use black tubbing or that special Lab tubbing from Tygon to decrease the room temps and light effect on the water temp.

2:Cost of fittings.

3: If the the power supply is independent from the main system , you may forget to turn it on and the pc shuts down inexpetly, use a decent PSU with Over currrent protections.

4: At least 2 DDC 18w, idealy two 655s with a Ek dual-top for the highest head pressure, in series directly under the res so its faster to bleed and fill.

5: Buy some Quick disconnects.

Here's a video of what I think you want:

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I use a external setup with a converted PS to run it, No problems so far. Personally, would go with two pumps for four rads, could later be converted to two seperate loops if needed.

PS conversion to DC power supply.
http://web2.murraystate.edu/andy.bat...OWERSUPPLY.HTM

Image of my external setup.
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[QUOTE=Aleslammer;15473369] Personally, would go with two pumps for four rads, could later be converted to two seperate loops
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Thats what I did I love overkill to death
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I think you're making things unnecessarily complicated. If you want the pump and rads external then just make/buy extension cables for the the power rather than have a separate PSU. A single pump would be enough unless you want redundancy by having 2 as most rads have little restriction (Black Ice GTX spring to mind as higher than normal restriction)

As long as the tubing length isn't excessive then that wouldn't be a problem.

I like the Swiftech 35X pumps for the PWM feature allowing you to vary the pump speed with the heat load and Asus Fan Xpert is good for doing this.
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1: Lets say if the tubbing is longer than 2 meters you should use black tubbing or that special Lab tubbing from Tygon to decrease the room temps and light effect on the water temp.

2:Cost of fittings.

3: If the the power supply is independent from the main system , you may forget to turn it on and the pc shuts down inexpetly, use a decent PSU with Over currrent protections.

4: At least 2 DDC 18w, idealy two 655s with a Ek dual-top for the highest head pressure, in series directly under the res so its faster to bleed and fill.

5: Buy some Quick disconnects.

Here's a video of what I think you want:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV3j0...eature=related

Is your first point in reference to when I said I might drop a rad in a box of ice? If not, why does it matter? Wouldn't I be really happy if the water was room temp? I ***think I could be under 6 total feet of tubing but I guess I wouldn't know until I am done.

I planned on just using a smaller ATX power supply with the hot wire mod. I guess I wrongly assumed that people just had their WC setups run 24/7.


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I use a external setup with a converted PS to run it, No problems so far. Personally, would go with two pumps for four rads, could later be converted to two seperate loops if needed.

PS conversion to DC power supply.
http://web2.murraystate.edu/andy.bat...OWERSUPPLY.HTM

Image of my external setup.
I was going to do the basic pin mod to the 24pin connector for the PSU but that looks neat. What would I need to make the second PSU turn on and off with the primary PSU (without modifying the primary PSU)?
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Yes, when the rad is submerged.

You need a dual Psu adapter

Link:http://www.frozencpu.com/products/56...ter_Cable.html
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Originally Posted by Haze_hellivo View Post
Yes, when the rad is submerged.

You need a dual Psu adapter

Link:http://www.frozencpu.com/products/56...ter_Cable.html
That is much easier and less expensive that what I was thinking...lol. Thanks.
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Would this: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/xsduactopfor.html work with two Laing DDC-1's? Does it change the head pressure / performance (as opposed to just having two pumps spaced randomly in loop with no top changes)?
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