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Unless you will be using monster resolutions, then go with the 570. nVidia drivers>AMD's
     
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Hmmmm...all the reviews say that there is just a switch you use to unlock all of the shaders...I'm torn between this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...scrollFullInfo or a GTX 570...I'm ordering this today...so one of you needs to help me make up my mind and fast.
    
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both are excellent cards. i recommend the msi twin frozer variants if you can find one for a deal. they overclock really well. i've owned two of their cards now and like them a lot.

this is an example of what i am referring to: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127575
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You're gonna get a ton of fanboism in this thread, but the real answer depends on what you want.

Do you want 3d surround? Nvidia
Do you want to use >3 monitors? AMD

If neither of the above applies then it's down to the games you want to play.

For example, if we take BF3, the 6970 actually performs about the same as a GTX 580. Much better buy especially since AMD fixed the stuttering issue.
http://hardocp.com/article/2011/10/2...ew_performance

On the other hand, in something like Deus Ex, Nvidia hardware is favored.
http://hardocp.com/article/2011/10/2...ce_iq_review/3

In general though, AMD gives you the better bang for the buck, while Nvidia gives to top performance.

Also, don't worry so much about driver issues. The days of ATI/AMD drivers nightmares are long gone and both sides are pretty good about drivers these days.

Same with multi card scaling. Both ATI and Nvidia have comparable scaling, so it's a non issue.

VRAM wise, unless you're over 2560 x1600 (ie multiple monitors), I wouldn't be too worried.
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I got an EVGA GTX 580 for the price of GTX 570 from the OCN marketplace, and I'm loving it, best single card solution available IMO. The nice lad I bought it from said he could assist w/ RMA if I ever need to. Check there, people on OCN are constantly, buying/selling parts to just test them out. If you get an ASUS, or MSI those warranties go by SN, so you wouldn't even have to have the seller help you out.

If you do go red, Sapphire is where its at from what I hear.
Edited by anubis1127 - 10/27/11 at 9:48am
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You're gonna get a ton of fanboism in this thread, but the real answer depends on what you want.

Do you want 3d surround? Nvidia
Do you want to use >3 monitors? AMD

If neither of the above applies then it's down to the games you want to play.

For example, if we take BF3, the 6970 actually performs about the same as a GTX 580. Much better buy especially since AMD fixed the stuttering issue.
http://hardocp.com/article/2011/10/2...ew_performance

On the other hand, in something like Deus Ex, Nvidia hardware is favored.
http://hardocp.com/article/2011/10/2...ce_iq_review/3

In general though, AMD gives you the better bang for the buck, while Nvidia gives to top performance.

Also, don't worry so much about driver issues. The days of ATI/AMD drivers nightmares are long gone and both sides are pretty good about drivers these days.

Same with multi card scaling. Both ATI and Nvidia have comparable scaling, so it's a non issue.

VRAM wise, unless you're over 2560 x1600 (ie multiple monitors), I wouldn't be too worried.
I'm not a big mufti-monitor type of guy. I prefer one, I have a 24" ASUS monitor, and it is 1920x1080. I'm just looking to get the most bang for the buck, I plan on getting BF3, and also MW3, and also RAGE. I just want a good card that will last me a while. I tend to upgrade every year and a half. I know Nvidia gives you PhysX, but I haven't used an ATI card in a while, so don't even know if I'd notice a difference or not.
    
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I'm not a big mufti-monitor type of guy. I prefer one, I have a 24" ASUS monitor, and it is 1920x1080. I'm just looking to get the most bang for the buck, I plan on getting BF3, and also MW3, and also RAGE. I just want a good card that will last me a while. I tend to upgrade every year and a half. I know Nvidia gives you PhysX, but I haven't used an ATI card in a while, so don't even know if I'd notice a difference or not.
Well bang for buck, definitely go with AMD. The only really GPU intensive game in that list is BF3 and that favors AMD pretty heavily right now.

Both a 570 and 6970 won't have any issue with the other games on that list.

Physx isn't actually big. Minimal number of games utilize it, and in noen of them does it offer anything huge. It's more like the red headed stepchild of Nvida that they don't really care about.

(in fact, physx is purely software so if Nvdia were so inclined, they could actually have it run on CPU or main GPU, but they've been too lazy to develop it, hence the red headed stepchild analogy)

As others have mentioned, if you want a 6970, just get one. You can OC a 6950 to 6970 performance, but then again the 6970 has more OC headroom and no unlock is guaranteed.
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If I was building the rig you are (based on other thread), and ordering the parts today from Newegg.com, I would just go with the Sapphire Toxic. That's coming from a nvidia fanboy.

For the price/performance aspect I don't think it can be beat for modern games, ie BF3 specifically. The added vram of the Toxic will come in handy for bf3, vs the 1.2gb on the gtx570. Go check the bf3 performance thread, hd6950's seem to be performing better than gtx 570's IIRC. You should be able to achieve hd6970 like performance with the Toxic, that's why I recommend that card over other cheaper hd6950's.

MW3 won't matter, you could play that maxed out 1080p with your GTS250 more than likely.

[edit]I forgot your were upgrading your PSU to 750w corsair. With that PSU, you could look into SLI/crossfire options. SLI/crossfire comes with it's own set of issues, so I have a hard time recommending that. I had 2 GTX470's in SLI, and had no issues in any of the games I played in the last year, but I think other people have. My issue was that I broke one of my gtx470's, so I was down to 1, and that just didn't cut it for bf3, hence the gtx580.
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If I was building the rig you are (based on other thread), and ordering the parts today from Newegg.com, I would just go with the Sapphire Toxic. That's coming from a nvidia fanboy.

For the price/performance aspect I don't think it can be beat for modern games, ie BF3 specifically. The added vram of the Toxic will come in handy for bf3, vs the 1.2gb on the gtx570. Go check the bf3 performance thread, hd6950's seem to be performing better than gtx 570's IIRC. You should be able to achieve hd6970 like performance with the Toxic, that's why I recommend that card over other cheaper hd6950's.

MW3 won't matter, you could play that maxed out 1080p with your GTS250 more than likely.

In my opinion I would go for whatever card you can find that has at least 1.5gb of vram. my 1 gig of vram in my 460's is the bottle neck for me from running bf3 on max and I only game at 1080p but on ultra I have to turn down a few settings othewise I go over the ram limit. a gtx 570 might be a great card I just think that the vram is a little low.

also in before vram doesn't matter
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If I was building the rig you are (based on other thread), and ordering the parts today from Newegg.com, I would just go with the Sapphire Toxic. That's coming from a nvidia fanboy.

For the price/performance aspect I don't think it can be beat for modern games, ie BF3 specifically. The added vram of the Toxic will come in handy for bf3, vs the 1.2gb on the gtx570. Go check the bf3 performance thread, hd6950's seem to be performing better than gtx 570's IIRC. You should be able to achieve hd6970 like performance with the Toxic, that's why I recommend that card over other cheaper hd6950's.

MW3 won't matter, you could play that maxed out 1080p with your GTS250 more than likely.

[edit]I forgot your were upgrading your PSU to 750w corsair. With that PSU, you could look into SLI/crossfire options. SLI/crossfire comes with it's own set of issues, so I have a hard time recommending that. I had 2 GTX470's in SLI, and had no issues in any of the games I played in the last year, but I think other people have. My issue was that I broke one of my gtx470's, so I was down to 1, and that just didn't cut it for bf3, hence the gtx580.
I sold my signature rig about 5 months back I've made up my mind! I'm going with the Sapphire Toxic 6950! Thanks for everyone's help! +1's all around!
    
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