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Poll Results: Which Linux Desktop do you use?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 12% of voters (103)
    Gnome 2 / Mate
  • 10% of voters (85)
    Gnome-Shell
  • 13% of voters (117)
    Unity
  • 18% of voters (158)
    Cinnamon
  • 17% of voters (148)
    KDE
  • 15% of voters (134)
    XFCE
  • 4% of voters (39)
    LXDE
  • 1% of voters (15)
    Enlightenment / E17
  • 6% of voters (55)
    OpenBox / FluxBox
  • 3% of voters (30)
    Awesome / DWM
  • 9% of voters (81)
    Other
845 Total Votes  
post #3461 of 7733
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Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

I'll debate that tongue.gif Both are equally as easy.

now now now, you said your self the aif was old, unmaintained and needed replacing, and wrote an entire guide around using it. the debian installer wouldn't need that. not saying its better, since the aif gave more control, but simpler...

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Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

Mostly disk space, Debian still loads a lot of daemons/modules so that it can still be easy, but not provide every last thing that Ubuntu does. Arch still has my heart in that respect that when you install it, it doesn't load anything except what it needs to run, and whatever you add to the startup.

still a lot light then buntu mem wise, but yeah I had to go in and disable a ton to trim everything down. Arch is what it says it is 'a simple, lightweight linux distro' where as debian is 'universal' i.e. anyone should be able to use it, it should be as advanced or as easy to use as the user wants it. no one or the other is better over all, but different design points. that said, a debian netinstall dumps a user into a very basic os
post #3462 of 7733
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Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

now now now, you said your self the aif was old, unmaintained and needed replacing, and wrote an entire guide around using it. the debian installer wouldn't need that. not saying its better, since the aif gave more control, but simpler...

Because people have this misconception Arch is/was difficult to install/use, which it isn't. Someone is much more likely to try something with a proper word-for-word, picture-for-picture guide than they are without one. It's human nature. But at the same time Debian has more install guides, as well as install videos ( arch too for that matter ), so obvious people did need a guide tongue.gif
post #3463 of 7733
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Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

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Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

now now now, you said your self the aif was old, unmaintained and needed replacing, and wrote an entire guide around using it. the debian installer wouldn't need that. not saying its better, since the aif gave more control, but simpler...

Because people have this misconception Arch is/was difficult to install/use, which it isn't. Someone is much more likely to try something with a proper word-for-word, picture-for-picture guide than they are without one. It's human nature. But at the same time Debian has more install guides, as well as install videos ( arch too for that matter ), so obvious people did need a guide tongue.gif

true true.still debians was easyer, not that the aif wasn't easy, but debian is easyer (imo) if someone needs a picture by picutre guide to install debian, the guy needs mental help.
post #3464 of 7733
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Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

true true.still debians was easyer, not that the aif wasn't easy, but debian is easyer (imo) if someone needs a picture by picutre guide to install debian, the guy needs mental help.

You assume previous knowledge and use of Linux, at least more in depth than what Ubuntu teaches. I could say if anyone needed a picture-by-picture guide for the AIF then they need mental help, because (imo) it doesn't get any more straight forward...

1. Select install type ( core / net )
2. Set time
3. Format / Partition ( if not already done )
4. Select / Install packages ( most would just do base and devel, but you can also choose wireless stuff ( anything for a laptop ), as well as choose a desktop environment to install during the install process )
5. Edit 3? basic configuration files ( out of the 8-10 provided ), mainly the rc.conf to add any daemons ( gdm/kdm/etc if you installed a de in step 4 ) else change hostname to what you want, or leave as is whichever works for you.
6. Install Grub ( or bootloader of choice )
7. Reboot

The debian one, honestly isn't all that different. At all really. It's just dumbed down a bit to seem easier, but for the most part the steps are all the same aside from having to edit config files, which debian does for you via forms you fill out i.e. hostname/root pass/etc, instead of having to edit the file directly. Hence me saying they're both equally as easy.

And me saying the Aif was unmaintained has nothing to do with ease of use tongue.gif The maintainer just stopped updating it, life happens, or they just get tired of the project and leave it for someone else to pick up ( welcome to open source ), and over time Arch still used it in releases but newer images didn't play nice with the old aif and things like config files, packages and most noteably the bootloader process started failing. Which is why it ultimately got removed, at least until someone either picks up the project or makes a new one.
post #3465 of 7733
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Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

The debian one, honestly isn't all that different. At all really. It's just dumbed down a bit to seem easier, but for the most part the steps are all the same aside from having to edit config files, which debian does for you via forms you fill out i.e. hostname/root pass/etc, instead of having to edit the file directly. Hence me saying they're both equally as easy.

how easy they seem is kind of the point of easy. could your grandmother edit those 3 files? mine couldn't. could she file out debians installer? yes.
post #3466 of 7733
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Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

how easy they seem is kind of the point of easy. could your grandmother edit those 3 files? mine couldn't. could she file out debians installer? yes.

Those 3 files are optional to edit. It's just good practice to at least check them to make sure whats there should be there. If you really want a different hostname then you kind of have to edit it, otherwise newhost or arch or whatever the default is, is what it'll be. Same for pacman.conf adding the multilib repo to get x64 stuff, or the pacman.mirrorlist to add any mirrors you want. Completely optional stuff in the end run.

I would actually like to see a video of you handing your grandmother a usb stick with debians installer and telling her to install it ( giving no lending hand or advice ).

People using their grandmothers is just a bad example. My grandmother could, but that's only because she's used to computers and used to program for the navy and managed databases as well as what ships were up to date with their programs and which needed updates. But the normal grandmother, no way in hell would they know how to install either.

Do you really have to try to argue anything said even slightly against your beliefs/knowledge... not that I even said anything bad about debian. rolleyes.gif
Edited by Shrak - 8/28/12 at 10:46pm
post #3467 of 7733
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Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

how easy they seem is kind of the point of easy. could your grandmother edit those 3 files? mine couldn't. could she file out debians installer? yes.

Those 3 files are optional to edit. It's just good practice to at least check them to make sure whats there should be there. If you really want a different hostname then you kind of have to edit it, otherwise newhost or arch or whatever the default is, is what it'll be. Same for pacman.conf adding the multilib repo to get x64 stuff, or the pacman.mirrorlist to add any mirrors you want. Completely optional stuff in the end run.

I would actually like to see a video of you handing your grandmother a usb stick with debians installer and telling her to install it ( giving no lending hand or advice ).

People using their grandmothers is just a bad example. My grandmother could, but that's only because she's used to computers and used to program for the navy and managed databases as well as what ships were up to date with their programs and which needed updates. But the normal grandmother, no way in hell would they know how to install either.

Do you really have to try to argue anything said even slightly against your beliefs/knowledge... not that I even said anything bad about debian. rolleyes.gif

yeah, I never said it wasn't easy, its easy, but imo other distros are easyer where as arch gives you many more options
post #3468 of 7733

why is everyone invoking their grandmother lately?

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post #3470 of 7733
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why is everyone invoking their grandmother lately?

because most won't touch a computer tongue.gif poor choice thou. I should have picked mac users
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