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11/12/12 at 9:48am
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So what's a good progression from LMDE as a slightly less training wheels Distro? Debian Testing to keep a similar feel and the same repositories or is it better to dip into the deepend with something like Arch?

What exactly do you mean? To be honest once you get past the install and getting AUR setup Arch isn't difficult outside of the rare update that if you didn't read about it in their news will come and mess things up. If you want something without training wheels then you're talking Gentoo or Slackware or even more LFS as they require even more knowledge of getting things setup and managing dependencies or other things. Arch is the nice halfway point I'd say.
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But there was no ( and still is no ) bashing until you came in talking about it. You asked why not use PearOS if the poster wanted a OS X look, we simply replied it's just as easy to skin his current distro. There was nothing that was related to Distro's or even anything even remotely suggesting distro bashing was about to happen, at least until you came in riled up over nothing.
My advice to you, distro bashing has been around since the inception and will continue to be. Don't take any distro bashing serious or personal. As you said a few posts above, don't encourage it, but you did just that, encouraged it. I don't take offense to people bashing Arch, I just take offense to people spreading false information or unproven rumors ( some of which is usually due to user incompetence ). But bashing alone is harmless and has been since the beginning.

It was another user asking the question about why not bash it or something to that effect. And there is slight harm to bashing as it does make some people avoid distros (especially the new comers) so they think "Oh...buntu is bad...but I can't do Arch/Debian/etc so I guess I can't do Linux." That's kind of the thing I worry about. Anyway let us just bury it.
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11/12/12 at 10:00am
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To be honest guys; I've yet to try out Mint so can't comment on it really. But I haven't found Kubuntu slow and bloated since they got KDE 4.7 and beyond going. Might be bloated in the install size (though can we really call 5GB that big when it is less than half the size of windows?).

But, the only difference I've ever noticed is between DEs not between distros(though I've haven't touched Ubuntu itself in 2 years). I can build a buntu from the ground up like Arch though it would probably be easier but I doubt I'd notice any performance difference with the same DE/WM. As for 3rd party drivers I'll have to give Mint a try I guess because I haven't found any hardware that didn't work in buntu through Jockey (though Intel's drivers do have me rather disappointed).

So, just because it's the hip thing to do, I think it's best we stop bashing buntu and rather just say there's trade offs for every method/distro. I mean hell we don't need a LFS or Gentoo guy coming in and bashing Archer's for being a bunch of "lazy users". tongue.gif

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thank you smile.gif the main thing I find isn't that buntu is bad its that others are better and personlly although a ground up buntu might be easyier then arch I don't think it would be easier then a ground up debian. I mean, sure maybe you wouldn't notice, but why use something that hogs 400mbs of ram when something that does the exact same thing just as well if not better uses just 200??

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To be honest guys; I've yet to try out Mint so can't comment on it really. But I haven't found Kubuntu slow and bloated since they got KDE 4.7 and beyond going. Might be bloated in the install size (though can we really call 5GB that big when it is less than half the size of windows?).
But, the only difference I've ever noticed is between DEs not between distros(though I've haven't touched Ubuntu itself in 2 years). I can build a buntu from the ground up like Arch though it would probably be easier but I doubt I'd notice any performance difference with the same DE/WM. As for 3rd party drivers I'll have to give Mint a try I guess because I haven't found any hardware that didn't work in buntu through Jockey (though Intel's drivers do have me rather disappointed).
So, just because it's the hip thing to do, I think it's best we stop bashing buntu and rather just say there's trade offs for every method/distro. I mean hell we don't need a LFS or Gentoo guy coming in and bashing Archer's for being a bunch of "lazy users". tongue.gif

But there was no ( and still is no ) bashing until you came in talking about it. You asked why not use PearOS if the poster wanted a OS X look, we simply replied it's just as easy to skin his current distro. There was nothing that was related to Distro's or even anything even remotely suggesting distro bashing was about to happen, at least until you came in riled up over nothing.

My advice to you, distro bashing has been around since the inception and will continue to be. Don't take any distro bashing serious or personal. As you said a few posts above, don't encourage it, but you did just that, encouraged it. I don't take offense to people bashing Arch, I just take offense to people spreading false information or unproven rumors ( some of which is usually due to user incompetence ). But bashing alone is harmless and has been since the beginning.
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So what's a good progression from LMDE as a slightly less training wheels Distro? Debian Testing to keep a similar feel and the same repositories or is it better to dip into the deepend with something like Arch?

Debian imo isn't much different than LMDE / Ubuntu's, while it doesn't give you every package to start with, it's still just as easy in terms of usage, but does force you to know a bit more of the command line. Arch also isn't all that hard once you figure out pacman ( really simple ) and the filesystem and where configs are located. Gentoo would be less training wheel'y than Arch but still not much after you learn the ports system they use.

from the live disk debian a user woldn't really have touch the command line with both the (ported from ubuntu) software center and synaptic installed. the main place where debian loses easyness is in drivers- no non foss be default. thats a plus in my opinion, but for a new user it could be the one thing that moves someone to LMDE over debian.
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11/12/12 at 11:23am
I'll compare BSD to LMDE as I've used both in the last month. BSD once I finished with the installer I have to setup X11, Drivers, Monitor Configs, Mouse Services etc. Then I have to get my WM and DE setup. With LMDE the hardest part of getting it installed was sorting out the drive partitions, BSD has an auto option that sets up a default that's reasonable. After the install I had a fully working environment a DE/WM, Browser, Flash, Java. It all works out of the gate. I see why LMDE is a recommended first place to start. With enough determination I am should be able to get BSD to do all that. Right now I more interested in learning other things and getting away from Windows. I guess what it comes down to is how the distros installer changes as to how easy it is to the initial setup.
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11/12/12 at 6:30pm
well the only linux i have successfully installed is ubuntu, no derivatives ( is amd my problem ) and pup ( but internet wouldn't connect with my wifi ) and i don't like ubuntu, is to boring and no good games to play.
i have also tried:
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about 5 others, they just wont work
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11/12/12 at 6:40pm
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well the only linux i have successfully installed is ubuntu, no derivatives ( is amd my problem ) and pup ( but internet wouldn't connect with my wifi ) and i don't like ubuntu, is to boring and no good games to play.
i have also tried:
mint
xubuntu
fedora
about 5 others, they just wont work

Well 2 of those 3 you listed were ubuntu based. Mint is based on Ubuntu ( unless it's debian edition ), and xubuntu is just ubuntu with the XFCE environment. Chances are the others were also Ubuntu based tongue.gif
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11/12/12 at 7:14pm
I can't bad mouth any distro. I grew up on Ubuntu and dabbled in Arch, Gentoo, Slack, and several derivitives before I finally decided to settle down with Arch. I prefer gentoo because of Portage and the whole compile-it-all philosophy which leads to an overall more responsive, efficient and stable machine, but the AUR mostly does that, for the applications that *really* matter. At any rate, I think that there really isn't a "bad" distro or a "good" distro just distros that have inferior and superior support (LFS compared to Ubuntu, respectively; LFS has practically no support where Ubuntu has commercial support available) And slower and faster distros (Ubuntu and Gentoo/Arch, Arch is much faster and Ubuntu is much slower, after using both.)

At any rate; I think we've gone far enough off-track for this thread lol. I suppose its true what you say about this subforum Shrak, its a miracle anything goes past 2 or 3 pages without some kind of drama tongue.gif
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At any rate; I think we've gone far enough off-track for this thread lol. I suppose its true what you say about this subforum Shrak, its a miracle anything goes past 2 or 3 pages without some kind of drama tongue.gif

Indeed we have tongue.gif

And it's the nature of Linux for there to be so much drama and debate. Everyone has a "better" way to do something thus so many distro's were born, and when that distro wasn't enough, forks were made. Same for programs, there's got to be at least 10-20 of every single type of program out there for any one job. That's why I said earlier that there will always be distro bashing and other drama, as it's been here since the inception of *nix, but most of it is harmless school yard mocking and completely harmless, at least until someone decides to take it serious, then it becomes an issue. And as I said in that particular thread you're talking about, it's just this very nature why we're lucky we make it past the first page or two without some kind of drama lol
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At any rate; I think we've gone far enough off-track for this thread lol. I suppose its true what you say about this subforum Shrak, its a miracle anything goes past 2 or 3 pages without some kind of drama tongue.gif

Indeed we have tongue.gif

And it's the nature of Linux for there to be so much drama and debate. Everyone has a "better" way to do something thus so many distro's were born, and when that distro wasn't enough, forks were made. Same for programs, there's got to be at least 10-20 of every single type of program out there for any one job. That's why I said earlier that there will always be distro bashing and other drama, as it's been here since the inception of *nix, but most of it is harmless school yard mocking and completely harmless, at least until someone decides to take it serious, then it becomes an issue. And as I said in that particular thread you're talking about, it's just this very nature why we're lucky we make it past the first page or two without some kind of drama lol

which is great. its what makes FOSS work so well
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At any rate; I think we've gone far enough off-track for this thread lol. I suppose its true what you say about this subforum Shrak, its a miracle anything goes past 2 or 3 pages without some kind of drama tongue.gif

Indeed we have tongue.gif

And it's the nature of Linux for there to be so much drama and debate. Everyone has a "better" way to do something thus so many distro's were born, and when that distro wasn't enough, forks were made. Same for programs, there's got to be at least 10-20 of every single type of program out there for any one job. That's why I said earlier that there will always be distro bashing and other drama, as it's been here since the inception of *nix, but most of it is harmless school yard mocking and completely harmless, at least until someone decides to take it serious, then it becomes an issue. And as I said in that particular thread you're talking about, it's just this very nature why we're lucky we make it past the first page or two without some kind of drama lol

which is great. its what makes FOSS work so well

It's also open source's greatest weakness. Nevertheless, it's what makes Linux, Linux.
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