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Poll Results: Which Linux Desktop do you use?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 12% of voters (103)
    Gnome 2 / Mate
  • 10% of voters (85)
    Gnome-Shell
  • 13% of voters (117)
    Unity
  • 18% of voters (158)
    Cinnamon
  • 17% of voters (148)
    KDE
  • 15% of voters (134)
    XFCE
  • 4% of voters (39)
    LXDE
  • 1% of voters (15)
    Enlightenment / E17
  • 6% of voters (55)
    OpenBox / FluxBox
  • 3% of voters (30)
    Awesome / DWM
  • 9% of voters (81)
    Other
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post #4981 of 7733
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Originally Posted by xeekei View Post

For the closed sourced drivers, Nvidia are still ahead, but AMD are catching up.

For the open sourced drivers, Nvidia aren't even interested in catching up.

The open sourced ones are not yet good enough for any kind of serious gaming though. With those the performance is on par with Intel.

That's pretty much how things stand as of right now. smile.gif

IIRC Nvidia is neither assisting nor hindering the Nouveau drivers (open source Nvidia) whereas I thought AMD was actually help the opensource AMD drivers. It's not that Nvidia isn't interested...it's that they aren't involved.
     
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post #4982 of 7733
AMD wants to eventually switch to a hybrid source model last I heard, do yes the are assisting the open source drivers. They want a closed source init for the GPU with open source pipelines. Sounds like an amazing idea to me the init being closed protects your card from malicious patch sets should they occur and open allows community to build and advance the drivers which benefits both windows and Linux users at no cost to AMD
    
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post #4983 of 7733
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Originally Posted by Xaero252 View Post

AMD wants to eventually switch to a hybrid source model last I heard, do yes the are assisting the open source drivers. They want a closed source init for the GPU with open source pipelines. Sounds like an amazing idea to me the init being closed protects your card from malicious patch sets should they occur and open allows community to build and advance the drivers which benefits both windows and Linux users at no cost to AMD

Hmmm haven't herd that, though I guess before now it wasn't in my interest. If you got links info, I'll be down for some reading. =) If not, don't go out of your way as I wouldn't. =P Good idea, wonder how it'll turn out for them. heh
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post #4984 of 7733
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Originally Posted by Xaero252 View Post

AMD wants to eventually switch to a hybrid source model last I heard, do yes the are assisting the open source drivers. They want a closed source init for the GPU with open source pipelines. Sounds like an amazing idea to me the init being closed protects your card from malicious patch sets should they occur and open allows community to build and advance the drivers which benefits both windows and Linux users at no cost to AMD

Well...that's definitely a way for AMD to compete with Nvidia. I just wonder whether the community is up to actually providing their end then. That seems to be the problem with AMD is that they had bad drivers and decided that they weren't going/able to afford to pay someone internally so why not have the community do it for them. I just hope they keep the open mind and that something competitive comes from it.

Is this method available for other types of hardware? Maybe we could convince sound card and others to follow and improve both relations between hardware makers and the community while actually providing a usable setup.
     
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post #4985 of 7733
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Originally Posted by xeekei View Post

For the closed sourced drivers, Nvidia are still ahead, but AMD are catching up.

For the open sourced drivers, Nvidia aren't even interested in catching up.

The open sourced ones are not yet good enough for any kind of serious gaming though. With those the performance is on par with Intel.

That's pretty much how things stand as of right now. smile.gif

Yeah i knew the Noveu or however it's spelled open source drivers aren't so good on either. didn't really think about open source drivers provided from either. Nvidia or ATI though.
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post #4986 of 7733
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Yeah i knew the Noveu or however it's spelled open source drivers aren't so good on either. didn't really think about open source drivers provided from either. Nvidia or ATI though.

For generic purposes, both work well. The issue is you cannot do much more than accelerated 2D, which personally as long as the company provides it shouldn't be an issue. From my current experiences, AMD provides less. This could change and I hope it does, if this card performed on par in Linux as it did in Windows I wouldn't be wanting to save up and switch out. I think it's performance for the price is superb (7950). It just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth knowing a simple thing like AA can drop frames in half. =(

It's the way of the world though, unless I worked for them. Even then, not much I could do over what can be done now. I don't have the Tf2/CS issues, which I'm glad of. I also have to use the 13.3 betas with Fedora, otherwise some driver functionality is... It sucks, mainly. I don't know how I fixed 13.3 performance either, at first it was worse than 13.1 but either re-doing mesa (from source), getting rid of the package manager versions (binary installer), the kernel update (3.8.4), or the xorg update (don't remember). Either way, 13.3 ended up running as smooth as 13.1 and gives me better CCC functionality. If they could fix the AA issue, I'd be all set.
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post #4987 of 7733
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do you have that wallpaper?

Ok, been a busy week or so now but here it is;

mesh-pattern.zip 2826k .zip file
post #4988 of 7733
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Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

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Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

do you have that wallpaper?

Ok, been a busy week or so now but here it is;

mesh-pattern.zip 2826k .zip file

thanks thumb.gif
post #4989 of 7733
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Originally Posted by Rookie1337 View Post

IIRC Nvidia is neither assisting nor hindering the Nouveau drivers (open source Nvidia) whereas I thought AMD was actually help the opensource AMD drivers. It's not that Nvidia isn't interested...it's that they aren't involved.

That's what I meant. They don't care about "their" open source drivers.
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Originally Posted by Xaero252 View Post

AMD wants to eventually switch to a hybrid source model last I heard, do yes the are assisting the open source drivers. They want a closed source init for the GPU with open source pipelines. Sounds like an amazing idea to me the init being closed protects your card from malicious patch sets should they occur and open allows community to build and advance the drivers which benefits both windows and Linux users at no cost to AMD

I hope you are right! That would be great! Win-win situation. Except if you're Stallman. wink.gif
post #4990 of 7733
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Originally Posted by Xaero252 View Post

AMD wants to eventually switch to a hybrid source model last I heard, do yes the are assisting the open source drivers. They want a closed source init for the GPU with open source pipelines. Sounds like an amazing idea to me the init being closed protects your card from malicious patch sets should they occur and open allows community to build and advance the drivers which benefits both windows and Linux users at no cost to AMD

Which is all good in theory, but in reality the drivers are far inferior even to Nouveau, which has no commercial backing or even acknowledgement.
    
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