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Poll Results: Which Linux Desktop do you use?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 12% of voters (103)
    Gnome 2 / Mate
  • 10% of voters (85)
    Gnome-Shell
  • 13% of voters (117)
    Unity
  • 18% of voters (158)
    Cinnamon
  • 17% of voters (148)
    KDE
  • 15% of voters (134)
    XFCE
  • 4% of voters (39)
    LXDE
  • 1% of voters (15)
    Enlightenment / E17
  • 6% of voters (55)
    OpenBox / FluxBox
  • 3% of voters (30)
    Awesome / DWM
  • 9% of voters (81)
    Other
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post #5251 of 7733
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For those of us that aren't biased to one way or another Ubuntu and Mint are easy if you follow the philosophy/mindset. Just like Arch, Slackware, and well..maybe not Gentoo or the BSDs would be if you follow their mindsets.

Ripping pulseaudio out of buntu/Mint is like grafting a packagemanager onto Slackware or not customizing any compiling options in Gentoo...you can do it...but it's kind of like "why?". Why do people always complain about choice and differences? I just don't understand that.

PS: Besides the philosophical reasons...what is wrong with Pulseaudio again? And since you know more than me (not sarcasm that is a fact) maybe you could share the extra services that people should be aware of so if they don't want them they have an easy reference.

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Pulse has its inherent problems. It adds noticeable delay in audio processing, has terrible loopback interfaces, and overall poor quality - that said its also the most polished of any Linux audio backend (from an end-user standpoint)
From a feature standpoint it is second only to Jack; but Jack can also be VERY difficult to configure, but rewarding in its audio quality and near zero-latency processing. Another important thing to note is that Pulse and Jack are NOT like ALSA/OSS (drivers) and both rely on some sort of audio driver backend.

I have used, and continue to use both. In production environments and my high end gaming systems I like JACK, though I usually have a bit of work to do with wine and whatnot; and on my Laptop and misc purpose computers with low-end audio, I use pulse just for the ease of use.

That said, I'm working on a pure ALSA based image for a game right now, polishing it slowly, I'll toss up the ISO for people to test at some point.
    
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PS: Besides the philosophical reasons...what is wrong with Pulseaudio again? And since you know more than me (not sarcasm that is a fact) maybe you could share the extra services that people should be aware of so if they don't want them they have an easy reference.

(Goes and hides) ninja.gif

When Pulse first came out it had a slew of problems, and was forced onto people by default having such problems. There were all sorts or distortion, crackling, noise, really everything you can think of that you didn't want.

It has grown since then and has been fairly ironed out though, mostly due to it being forced onto people to get the exposure for the bugs.

I really only like Pulse for my sound cards as they generally work OOTB with it. Whereas I spent a year hacking up a good ALSA config for the same sound card ( most of which was spent learning audio stuff since I was pretty much an idiot with before I started, granted I'm no audiophile, but I do have much more knowledge of how audio things work than I did before ). Of which I still prefer now since it's exactly what I wanted, and would still need to spend time with Pulse to get the same quality out of it as I do with ALSA and my config.
post #5253 of 7733
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When Pulse first came out it had a slew of problems, and was forced onto people by default having such problems. There were all sorts or distortion, crackling, noise, really everything you can think of that you didn't want.

It has grown since then and has been fairly ironed out though, mostly due to it being forced onto people to get the exposure for the bugs.

I really only like Pulse for my sound cards as they generally work OOTB with it. Whereas I spent a year hacking up a good ALSA config for the same sound card ( most of which was spent learning audio stuff since I was pretty much an idiot with before I started, granted I'm no audiophile, but I do have much more knowledge of how audio things work than I did before ). Of which I still prefer now since it's exactly what I wanted, and would still need to spend time with Pulse to get the same quality out of it as I do with ALSA and my config.

I use pulse for general purposes and jack for any audio work I need to do. I do sometimes get weird stutters and such when using pulse. Part of the reason I switched to Ubuntu Studio after using Slackware for many years, is that it comes with Jack and a low latency/realtime kernel out of the box. Well, that and it saves me hours of compiling media libraries and programs thumb.gif
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Its probably my hardware, but with pulseaudio I get this huge buzz/distortion when I first turn something with sound (video, audio file, etc.) on. I have to turn the sound all the way down and all the way back to stop it, and even then the sound has a thicker 'buzz' then with just alsa or oss. It also does have a bit of lag, and I find is more of a 'blackbox' you can't fine tune it as easily, and it many cases changing anything resultes in total loss of sound. Just my experience.
post #5255 of 7733
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Its probably my hardware, but with pulseaudio I get this huge buzz/distortion when I first turn something with sound (video, audio file, etc.) on. I have to turn the sound all the way down and all the way back to stop it, and even then the sound has a thicker 'buzz' then with just alsa or oss. It also does have a bit of lag, and I find is more of a 'blackbox' you can't fine tune it as easily, and it many cases changing anything resultes in total loss of sound. Just my experience.

On my laptop I had to pass some options to intel-hda module to get it to quit doing what sounded like a CD skipping. On this machine (in sig), I get a stutter when I adjust the volume. Otherwise it is fine. I've been thinking about buying a sound card, but it's been years since I have bought one and I have no idea what to choose. Some of the Asus cards look great, but last I looked the better ones aren't fully supported by alsa. I could just get an old emu10k based card, since it's been supported for so long and I do have a PCI slot. Any suggestions?
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Its probably my hardware, but with pulseaudio I get this huge buzz/distortion when I first turn something with sound (video, audio file, etc.) on. I have to turn the sound all the way down and all the way back to stop it, and even then the sound has a thicker 'buzz' then with just alsa or oss. It also does have a bit of lag, and I find is more of a 'blackbox' you can't fine tune it as easily, and it many cases changing anything resultes in total loss of sound. Just my experience.

On my laptop I had to pass some options to intel-hda module to get it to quit doing what sounded like a CD skipping. On this machine (in sig), I get a stutter when I adjust the volume. Otherwise it is fine. I've been thinking about buying a sound card, but it's been years since I have bought one and I have no idea what to choose. Some of the Asus cards look great, but last I looked the better ones aren't fully supported by alsa. I could just get an old emu10k based card, since it's been supported for so long and I do have a PCI slot. Any suggestions?

for me it's kind of like trying to hear a radio station while leaving town rather then a skipping CD, but it's been known for many problems. I wouldn't know anything on suggestions for a sound card, but others probably will.
post #5257 of 7733
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So built a new machine, busy being a traitor to my own values... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



Honestly just wanted something to set up quick that was normy friendly. Once I get my GPU out of my main computer though it'll get switched over as my main and the old one is getting donated redface.gif

Nice, hopefully you'll get back to your favorite distro at some point though. thumb.gif
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My last GF was named Olivia, she was good too. biggrin.gif

mmm I see.
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On my laptop I had to pass some options to intel-hda module to get it to quit doing what sounded like a CD skipping. On this machine (in sig), I get a stutter when I adjust the volume. Otherwise it is fine. I've been thinking about buying a sound card, but it's been years since I have bought one and I have no idea what to choose. Some of the Asus cards look great, but last I looked the better ones aren't fully supported by alsa. I could just get an old emu10k based card, since it's been supported for so long and I do have a PCI slot. Any suggestions?

I still rock an emu10k1, SBL 5.1 card to this day just for Linux. It's so I can get guaranteed sound that works at an acceptable level. I was in Best Buy the other day, saw Audigy cards still in retail on shelves!!! Those were good cards, no matter what people say. Sure, not 7.1 sound but.... I wear headphones and don't really use surround, games are generally stereo and that's all I need (even online). So it works, best part is the KX drivers in windows for emu10k1 based cards work pretty well too. Win win I say. If I wanted sorround sound, I'd just use my on-board spdif/optical anyways.

Their are some nice cards that work too, some of the Xonar series seem to work. I believe the X-Fi from Creative now work acceptably?

http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main

Just sift through. (some cards have vendor drivers, example: Titanium HD, which some people have gotten to work too so that list isn't an all ends)
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/19/13 at 10:58pm
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So I have been playing with my clean install of Lubuntu 13.04, rather enjoying it. there are some themeing options i haven't noticed before, it's gonna be sweet.
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Their are some nice cards that work too, some of the Xonar series seem to work. I believe the X-Fi from Creative now work acceptably?

http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
My Xonar DX 'works' with Arch Linux and ALSA (works in that it outputs sound). My only gripe is lack of support for switching from rear panel output to front panel. I haven't unpacked my surround since moving to my new residence though, so just leaving my headphones plugged in the back has been acceptable.
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