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Poll Results: Which Linux Desktop do you use?

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    Gnome 2 / Mate
  • 10% of voters (85)
    Gnome-Shell
  • 13% of voters (117)
    Unity
  • 18% of voters (158)
    Cinnamon
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post #5261 of 7733
Yeah, those old Audigy cards are still the best overall sound cards for Linux. My Xonar DS works fine, but it seems to have trouble with upsampling.
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You mean the ZS 2? The ZS 2 still has some game from what I have been told.
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post #5263 of 7733
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I still rock an emu10k1, SBL 5.1 card to this day just for Linux. It's so I can get guaranteed sound that works at an acceptable level. I was in Best Buy the other day, saw Audigy cards still in retail on shelves!!! Those were good cards, no matter what people say. Sure, not 7.1 sound but.... I wear headphones and don't really use surround, games are generally stereo and that's all I need (even online). So it works, best part is the KX drivers in windows for emu10k1 based cards work pretty well too. Win win I say. If I wanted sorround sound, I'd just use my on-board spdif/optical anyways.

Their are some nice cards that work too, some of the Xonar series seem to work. I believe the X-Fi from Creative now work acceptably?

http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main

Just sift through. (some cards have vendor drivers, example: Titanium HD, which some people have gotten to work too so that list isn't an all ends)

Lol! Nice. Now I wish I had kept my SBL 5.1 and Audigy 1 card. I gave them away mad.gif No worries though. I'll track one down. The Audigy cards I've found so far online are like $30. There is no way to lose at that price, even if I find something I want with a higher sampling rate later. Thanks to all for your replies.
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Lol! Nice. Now I wish I had kept my SBL 5.1 and Audigy 1 card. I gave them away mad.gif No worries though. I'll track one down. The Audigy cards I've found so far online are like $30. There is no way to lose at that price, even if I find something I want with a higher sampling rate later. Thanks to all for your replies.

http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Labs-Sound-Blaster-70SB006003007/dp/B00005UK8V/ref=sr_1_66?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1369089913&sr=1-66

Pretty much what I have. No it isn't the most "amazing" card, I've got a receiver and spdif/optical. On top of that, most of my music isn't going to be grand. If you go by tech specs, the SBL is still a pretty hardcore card. Just doesn't have a really nice way to do a large system. It has issues with 5.1 even (buzz/feedback). But my onboard fried, my fault (oops!), so I always keep it in as a spare till I either get a replacement (sold the last one) or get a new motherboard. I'm probably going to get a new board, so I'm not really in a hurry to get a new card. Until I get headsets that make a difference I'm not spending money on a high end card.

[edit]http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Sound-Blaster-Live-SB0060/dp/B000RWCUWW/ref=sr_1_76?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1369090204&sr=1-76

seriously you can't beat throwing $12 (or less) for a used/referbed card. I still think it's a solid buy if you just need some quick audio. Especially if you don't really game and stuff, just have one for win and one for Linux. That's how I ran things, till I stopped really using windows and it was before the X-Fi's had "proper" drivers. Blah, wish it wasn't sold now but then again better options exist if I bother to get a new one. (haha forgot, I'm using 7950 hdmi audio.... might not get one for a while lol)
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/20/13 at 3:57pm
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post #5265 of 7733
I'm really not convinced by sound quality of Soundblaster cards. I remember buying an Audiophile 2496 about 7 years ago for less than what some of my mates were spending on their Soundblaster cards and my Audiophile 2496 just blew SB out of the water. It also worked out of the box the last time I hooked it in Linux.

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496.html

But to be fair, it is an entry level producers card rather than SB which is marketed at gamers. So you'd expect better audio fidelity with the 2496. But even though it's roots are in pro-audio, it's still pretty cheap. smile.gif
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I'm really not convinced by sound quality of Soundblaster cards. I remember buying an Audiophile 2496 about 7 years ago for less than what some of my mates were spending on their Soundblaster cards and my Audiophile 2496 just blew SB out of the water. It also worked out of the box the last time I hooked it in Linux.

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496.html

But to be fair, it is an entry level producers card rather than SB which is marketed at gamers. So you'd expect better audio fidelity with the 2496. But even though it's roots are in pro-audio, it's still pretty cheap. smile.gif

Just like 3-4x the price, haven't tried them though. I just know the SB gets the job done and is dirt cheap, really dirt cheap. SBL is also 15yrs old (4 years older), I think it holds up well for the age.

Not saying that it isn't a good solution, dunno if I'd spend as much as I am finding them for.

[edit] Yeah, I'd probably agree though that it's a better card. Just...

Well for $30 you could get a newer solution:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132020

Probably ends up better, dunno. DSX is only $50... Haven't sound card shopped in a while though, couldn't tell you the best bang for your buck in terms of new cards.
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/20/13 at 4:11pm
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Just like 3-4x the price,
That's only because the SB's have fallen in price but the 2496 cards are so good that they've managed to hold their price throughout the years (like how a good pair of Sennheisers will hold their value)
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SBL is also 15yrs old (4 years older), I think it holds up well for the age.
Not really. Like I said before, I was never impressed with their quality a decade ago and they've only got worse in comparison since. The 2496's have kept their price and still sound epic even now.
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[edit] Yeah, I'd probably agree though that it's a better card. Just...

Well for $30 you could get a newer solution:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132020

Probably ends up better, dunno. DSX is only $50... Haven't sound card shopped in a while though, couldn't tell you the best bang for your buck in terms of new cards.
By the looks of it, that's still just a gaming card though. 2496's are still sold new and still recommended to producers who are starting out.
In fact check out the reviews for yourself: http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOAP2496 (2 guys on there compare the 2496 to other cards > $200 in value).

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure DSX and Xonar are good. But in terms of fidelity, you couldn't go far wrong with 2496. So I wouldn't write it off simply because it's an older class of card smile.gif

[edit]

There is a caveat though. As great as any of the aforementioned cards might be, you still need decent hardware (ie a non-crappy amp and speakers) otherwise whatever you buy will just sound like a Soundblaster.
Edited by Plan9 - 5/20/13 at 4:50pm
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That's only because the SB's have fallen in price but the 2496 cards are so good that they've managed to hold their price throughout the years (like how a good pair of Sennheisers will hold their value)
Not really. Like I said before, I was never impressed with their quality a decade ago and they've only got worse in comparison since. The 2496's have kept their price and still sound epic even now.
By the looks of it, that's still just a gaming card though. 2496's are still sold new and still recommended to producers who are starting out.
In fact check out the reviews for yourself: http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOAP2496 (2 guys on there compare the 2496 to other cards > $200 in value).

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure DSX and Xonar are good. But in terms of fidelity, you couldn't go far wrong with 2496. So I wouldn't write it off simply because it's an older class of card smile.gif

[edit]

There is a caveat though. As great as any of the aforementioned cards might be, you still need decent hardware (ie a non-crappy amp and speakers) otherwise whatever you buy will just sound like a Soundblaster.

Yeah, so many variables. I also think that you might get better control with a newer card, don't know if they include nice software for the 2496's. And it would also be up to the buyer, it's why I bought those points up.

In the end, I'm sure the 2496 is a nice card. Just if the buyer isn't into those options, a cheaper solution would probably do. Not knocking on the 2496 but from an average consumer standpoint, probably a bit overkill. Though if you wanted to do any audio work, a gamer card or standard consumer card isn't the object. I was just suggesting those because I feel all the user needs is something simple. The emu10k1 chips are still solid, at least from a general playback stance. Otherwise I'm sure stores like Best Buy wouldn't have them on the shelf to this day. Different markets though, all depends on what you want and how much you are willing to spend to get there.
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Yeah, so many variables. I also think that you might get better control with a newer card, don't know if they include nice software for the 2496's.
You're just making assumptions now. The 2496 control panel is very detailed (probably too detailed for your average consumer. But again, this is an pro-audio card so there's a certain level of knowledge assumed).
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And it would also be up to the buyer, it's why I bought those points up.
There is no hypothetical buyer. This was just a discussion between two audiophiles.
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In the end, I'm sure the 2496 is a nice card. Just if the buyer isn't into those options, a cheaper solution would probably do. Not knocking on the 2496 but from an average consumer standpoint, probably a bit overkill. Though if you wanted to do any audio work, a gamer card or standard consumer card isn't the object. I was just suggesting those because I feel all the user needs is something simple. The emu10k1 chips are still solid, at least from a general playback stance. Otherwise I'm sure stores like Best Buy wouldn't have them on the shelf to this day. Different markets though, all depends on what you want and how much you are willing to spend to get there.
Suggesting to who? This was just a discussion between two audiophiles. I'm not about to recommend the average user by a pro-audio card. Half of them wouldn't have good enough amp+speakers and the other half probably wouldn't even notice the difference anyway. You guys were talking about sound quality of Soundblasters so it seemed relevant for me to mention just crap they are.

And I really don't agree that the emu10k1 chips are solid - not even from a general playback stance. That was my whole bloody point. tongue.gif As a self-confessed audiophile yourself, surely you must be aware of just how much it sucks?
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I have no experience with M-Audio. I've only seen the option to enable support in kernel builds, but I will consider that option. So thanks.

I never thought of buying a used card. I may go that route. Honestly I'm not that worried about the price. I just want something that works well. I'm a pretty OCD about my machines. That bit of a stutter when I adjust the volume drives me mad. I was looking at that Asus card and others before. I'll just get something that I know works. I've used Linux for the last 15 years. I learned early on to always check for compatibility before making a hardware purchase;-)

The thing that get's me about all of this, is that the reason I bought a SBL all those years ago was to avoid using the Enlightenment Sound Daemon. I bought it because the emu10k1 would allow me to run several program with sound at once, using only alsa. I couldn't stand esd. So now with pulseaudido and the popularity of on-board Intel HDA based sound, I feel like things have sort of taken a step back with Linux sound. I will say that inclusion of alsa in the kernel was a step forward (Installing alsa used to be an undertaking of it's own). I really don't like having a sound server (jack excluded for it's purposes). When I get a new card, whether it is a emu10k or something newer, I may attempt to get rid of pulse. I'm sure most of the applications I use are still are compatible with alsa. Maybe all of them, aside from the ones that rely on jackd for their transport. That could be a huge pain and I may find that, after I get a new card, there will be no need to remove pulse. We shall see.

Anyway, thanks again for the advice. I was hoping someone would tell me about some amazing new top-end card with great Linux support, but hey I'll live with whatever will work. Even if it's 15 years old. lol
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