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post #5271 of 7733
I missed those last few posts. The m-audio is peaking my interest. I do dabble in some audio production. I mostly do 3D animation and video, as far a media production. Of course that often requires audio work. I also record for some of my friends' bands on occasion. I was thinking of getting and external card with 1/4 inch and XLR for that, however. That's a whole different topic. Anyway I'll look into that m-audio's specs. It would be nice to get something with a low latency.
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You're just making assumptions now. The 2496 control panel is very detailed (probably too detailed for your average consumer. But again, this is an pro-audio card so there's a certain level of knowledge assumed).
There is no hypothetical buyer. This was just a discussion between two audiophiles.
Suggesting to who? This was just a discussion between two audiophiles. I'm not about to recommend the average user by a pro-audio card. Half of them wouldn't have good enough amp+speakers and the other half probably wouldn't even notice the difference anyway. You guys were talking about sound quality of Soundblasters so it seemed relevant for me to mention just crap they are.

And I really don't agree that the emu10k1 chips are solid - not even from a general playback stance. That was my whole bloody point. tongue.gif As a self-confessed audiophile yourself, surely you must be aware of just how much it sucks?

I brought the points up hypathetically in ways yes, but the points were aimed at the original user Funky. That's why I brought up the price points, he had a question on cards so I'm still talking in reference to him in a way. So that he can get something out of this.

Didn't know the 2496 had software, that's why I said "don't know if they include nice software". So they do, that's good.

And I am aware they suck, but general speaker systems suck..... I can't really use my expensive one and these headphones are like $50. So.... It's what I call a system that makes do, something the emu10k1 does dirt cheap. Heh, I've thought about new headphones but... Well first I'd need justification for them as well as I haven't quite decided what I am really wanting. I'm waiting for something that I like and doesn't have a plastic main piece.

I'd like something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826249080 but.... Ugh, I'm so picky on how it looks. It needs to be super durable, something you could probably step on. Till I figure out, or find something I like and have the money. I'm going to rock this crap card with these crap headsets. Dunno might upgrade my whole system first, then use onboard for a while. that'll happen within a year so I'm not in any hurry to replace the emu10k1 now.

[edit] Plus I don't really want surround sound, don't ever use it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826153117

That's closer to what I'd get, ad a little nicer on the price.
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/20/13 at 6:06pm
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post #5273 of 7733
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I missed those last few posts. The m-audio is peaking my interest. I do dabble in some audio production. I mostly do 3D animation and video, as far a media production. Of course that often requires audio work. I also record for some of my friends' bands on occasion. I was thinking of getting and external card with 1/4 inch and XLR for that, however. That's a whole different topic. Anyway I'll look into that m-audio's specs. It would be nice to get something with a low latency.

Is this audio work going to be done in Linux? Because if so, using Jack maybe unavoidable. (it's certainly required to chain fx's on many of the DAWs I've played around with).

Also most externals these days should have low latency as well. But I'll be honest, most of my audio experience is for Windows (like yourself, I have 15 years of Linux experience clocked up. But I could never got on with Linux for pro-audio. It's probably the only side of IT that I don't use Linux for though).
post #5274 of 7733
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Originally Posted by mushroomboy View Post

I brought the points up hypathetically in ways yes, but the points were aimed at the original user Funky. That's why I brought up the price points, he had a question on cards so I'm still talking in reference to him in a way. So that he can get something out of this.
Fair enough
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Didn't know the 2496 had software, that's why I said "don't know if they include nice software". So they do, that's good.
Generally you're expected to use the DAW to alter the sound card settings (in fact if you have a DAW open then the soundcard control panel becomes readonly) because that's basically how a studio would be set up. But you can use the control panel if you just wanted to fiddle with recording and playback settings from less sophisticated audio suites.
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Fair enough
Generally you're expected to use the DAW to alter the sound card settings (in fact if you have a DAW open then the soundcard control panel becomes readonly) because that's basically how a studio would be set up. But you can use the control panel if you just wanted to fiddle with recording and playback settings from less sophisticated audio suites.

Yeah, I was thinking just in terms of general use. Was aware that you can manipulate the sound in the suites too, just don't know the level of detail.

Ahhh looks like you answered his Q's. I've done some Linux audio work... I just had come to the same conclusions you did. I'd rather work in either Windows or OSX (you didn't say it, but I'm sure you recognize OSX having more than Linux).
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post #5276 of 7733
I should have specified that I do a little with audio. I'm not so serious about though. It's a hobby. Anyway, the emu10k chips are solid. I would much rather have one than the on-board I have right now.

The audio tools that came with Ubuntu Studio are pretty good, though I have little to compare them with except for what I've seen my friends using on Mac and Windows. Myself, I ditched those OSes long ago. I figure if I can't do it on Linux, I don't need to. I like how the software I have works. I run Ardour as a tracker and route the other programs to buses on it. Patchage makes it easy to route everything and of course jackd is used for the transport. I was shocked when I first figured out I could do that. lol. I've always been into visual art and programming, so it's fun to try something different. So For my needs, that setup is fine. I even have a tool that lets me sync video to the jack transport. Very handy.

I just found out I have an advanced mixer for the 2496 and other Envy24 based cards, that came with my distro. I had no idea it has those kind of capabilities. I might get one if I can find it.

https://code.google.com/p/mudita24/
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I'm really not convinced by sound quality of Soundblaster cards. I remember buying an Audiophile 2496 about 7 years ago for less than what some of my mates were spending on their Soundblaster cards and my Audiophile 2496 just blew SB out of the water. It also worked out of the box the last time I hooked it in Linux.

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496.html

But to be fair, it is an entry level producers card rather than SB which is marketed at gamers. So you'd expect better audio fidelity with the 2496. But even though it's roots are in pro-audio, it's still pretty cheap. smile.gif

It has a small number on components on rather bare PCB.
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I should have specified that I do a little with audio. I'm not so serious about though. It's a hobby. Anyway, the emu10k chips are solid. I would much rather have one than the on-board I have right now.

The audio tools that came with Ubuntu Studio are pretty good, though I have little to compare them with except for what I've seen my friends using on Mac and Windows. Myself, I ditched those OSes long ago. I figure if I can't do it on Linux, I don't need to. I like how the software I have works. I run Ardour as a tracker and route the other programs to buses on it. Patchage makes it easy to route everything and of course jackd is used for the transport. I was shocked when I first figured out I could do that. lol. I've always been into visual art and programming, so it's fun to try something different. So For my needs, that setup is fine. I even have a tool that lets me sync video to the jack transport. Very handy.

I just found out I have an advanced mixer for the 2496 and other Envy24 based cards, that came with my distro. I had no idea it has those kind of capabilities. I might get one if I can find it.

https://code.google.com/p/mudita24/
I've not given Ubuntu Studio a try in years. In fact it might have be one of the first releases. I might give it another try this weekend.

I don't think you'll be disappointed with the 2496 thumb.gif
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It has a small number on components on rather bare PCB.

And your point being?

Electronics can actually degrade the quality of audio anyway (even with digital signal processing). So it's not necessarily a bad thing having fewer components.
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Well that was actually the kind of response i was looking for. I've never seen a sound card with so few parts before. I was kin of surprised that it was/is possible. Is it hardware accelerated?
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Well that was actually the kind of response i was looking for. I've never seen a sound card with so few parts before. I was kin of surprised that it was/is possible. Is it hardware accelerated?

It doesn't do onboard FX like some consumer cards do, but then that's because it's designed to be hooked into a DAWs and hardware FX units which are purpose built for such things. It's a little like the UNIX philosophy, as in the point of cards like 2496 is to provide the best muti-channel fidelity possible. And FX are served by VSTs or hardware FX units, each of which are designed to provide the best effect possible. And the whole studio scales up like a computer network.

edit: in fact wikipedia actually explain the differences pretty well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_card#Professional_soundcards_.28audio_interfaces.29
Edited by Plan9 - 5/22/13 at 5:07am
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