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Poll Results: Which Linux Desktop do you use?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 12% of voters (103)
    Gnome 2 / Mate
  • 10% of voters (85)
    Gnome-Shell
  • 13% of voters (117)
    Unity
  • 18% of voters (158)
    Cinnamon
  • 17% of voters (148)
    KDE
  • 15% of voters (134)
    XFCE
  • 4% of voters (39)
    LXDE
  • 1% of voters (15)
    Enlightenment / E17
  • 6% of voters (55)
    OpenBox / FluxBox
  • 3% of voters (30)
    Awesome / DWM
  • 9% of voters (81)
    Other
845 Total Votes  
post #5421 of 7733
GNOME has always been garbage. It was garbage in the 1.x days, a little better in the 2.x but still crappy and GNOME3 only serves to remind people how much better nearly every other desktop environment it.

I've never understood why GNOME was so popular.
post #5422 of 7733
Because it was popular on 'humanized' distros. tongue.gif
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post #5423 of 7733
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Originally Posted by fragamemnon View Post

Because it was popular on 'humanized' distros. tongue.gif

That's not entirely true though. GNOME wasn't that popular when I started using Linux. When you look back at the "Ubuntu's" before Ubuntu was released, you can see that many didn't really take GNOME that seriously (roughly in order of time line):
  • Slackware: KDE (still is now)
  • Redhat (pre-Fedora) was agnostic towards GNOME
  • SuSE: agnostic (though IIRC it favoured KDE)
  • Mandrake: favourable towards KDE. But it later became a pretty much KDE distro (by that point Mandrake was called Mandriva)
  • Lindows: KDE.

And when talking about "humanized" distros, Mandrake and Lindows were really leading the charge - both of which treated GNOME like a 2nd class citizen.

So I'm not really sure what happened in the mid-00s, but GNOMEs popularity seem to sky rocket from nowhere.
Edited by Plan9 - 6/6/13 at 1:30am
post #5424 of 7733
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Originally Posted by Plan9 View Post

That's not entirely true though. GNOME wasn't that popular when I started using Linux. When you look back at the "Ubuntu's" before Ubuntu was released, you can see that many didn't really take GNOME that seriously (roughly in order of time line):
  • Slackware: KDE (still is now)
  • Redhat (pre-Fedora) was agnostic towards GNOME
  • SuSE: agnostic (though IIRC it favoured KDE)
  • Mandrake: favourable towards KDE. But it later became a pretty much KDE distro (by that point Mandrake was called Mandriva)
  • Lindows: KDE.

And when talking about "humanized" distros, Mandrake and Lindows were really leading the charge - both of which treated GNOME like a 2nd class citizen.

So I'm not really sure what happened in the mid-00s, but GNOMEs popularity seem to sky rocket from nowhere.

I absolutely agree with you, but that was much before Linux got popular.
I still have my Mandrake 9.2 and will never ever toss it away. ^^ I had Red Hat, too, but never really got to play with it the way it was meant to. And back then KDE > Gnome in terms of usage, however the overall Linux popularity was substantially lower.

That last sentence in your post holds the key - exactly in those years Linux became popular (I am speculating here, but) probably because companies finally saw it as a free OS, no more multi-license. And even the "business" packages cost symbolic in comparison to the M$ schemes. Also, I give credit to the somewhat dropping off of mainstream OEMs into people's homes and some of the vendors that started supporting Linux for their products.
In the last couple of years, I hold no doubts that the smartphone industry helped it's popularity too, I've witnessed friends of mine willing to run Linux when they understood how flexible and customizable it really is.

P.S. Back in the day I actually considered Gnome to be somewhat experimental. This under the fact that I never really gave two ..grits about GUIs and I was a total newbcake to anything unrelated to Microsoft.
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post #5425 of 7733
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Originally Posted by fragamemnon View Post

I absolutely agree with you, but that was much before Linux got popular.
I still have my Mandrake 9.2 and will never ever toss it away. ^^ I had Red Hat, too, but never really got to play with it the way it was meant to. And back then KDE > Gnome in terms of usage, however the overall Linux popularity was substantially lower.

That last sentence in your post holds the key - exactly in those years Linux became popular
Linux didn't suddenly become "popular". It's usage as gradually grown at a steady rate. And as I said before it was the n00b friendly distro's (some of which were more user friendly than Ubuntu in my opinion) that supported KDE. So I don't even buy the arguments that n00bs love GNOME nor that GNOME is more user friendly than KDE.

Honestly, I think the only reason GNOME became popular is because:
  1. it's GNU
  2. it's not based on Qt (who's future was a little skeptical in the mid 00's)


However Qt runs circles around GTK and I don't really see why we should use a substandard DE just because it's part of GNU rather than another DE that's also GPL but not part of GNU.
Edited by Plan9 - 6/6/13 at 4:45am
post #5426 of 7733
Wasn't the whole reason most distro's started using Gnome because of licensing issues with Qt way back?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28toolkit%29#Licensing

Pretty much a dead issue these days, but probably part of the reason it still lingers.
post #5427 of 7733
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Wasn't the whole reason most distro's started using Gnome because of licensing issues with Qt way back?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28toolkit%29#Licensing

Pretty much a dead issue these days, but probably part of the reason it still lingers.

Aye. That's what I said.

It's just a pity that GTK was crappy alternative (and even now, with all the advancements GTK has made, I still think Qt is a much nicer toolkit)

Isn't Canonical moving Ubuntu over to Qt?
post #5428 of 7733
Perhaps I should've made my post clearer. But my thoughts run faster than my fingers. And I would be interested in seeing at least somewhat reliable information on Linux popularity in the last 10 years. I have the feeling that since 2007, or maybe 2009 I started seeing that OS on a lot more desktops.
IMO, as provided with my example as well, a noob to Linux will rather pick whatever is pushed in his face, having no knowledge of the GUIs.

I didn't mean to say that Gnome is any more friendly than KDE. Rather the opposite, KDE is far more flexible, perhaps because of the level of customization a lot of people consider it complicated.

AFAIK, most of the desktop distros in use are/were GNOME based - Debian/Ubuntu/Mint (versions 9 through 12 I think, before 13 came out), so that should be one of the reasons.
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post #5429 of 7733
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Aye. That's what I said.

It's just a pity that GTK was crappy alternative (and even now, with all the advancements GTK has made, I still think Qt is a much nicer toolkit)

Isn't Canonical moving Ubuntu over to Qt?

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxNzM

Seems so... interesting though, didn't see that move coming tongue.gif
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http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxNzM

Seems so... interesting though, didn't see that move coming tongue.gif

they probably had a look a Kubuntu and felt inferior redface.gif
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