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Poll Results: Which Linux Desktop do you use?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 12% of voters (103)
    Gnome 2 / Mate
  • 10% of voters (85)
    Gnome-Shell
  • 13% of voters (117)
    Unity
  • 18% of voters (158)
    Cinnamon
  • 17% of voters (148)
    KDE
  • 15% of voters (134)
    XFCE
  • 4% of voters (39)
    LXDE
  • 1% of voters (15)
    Enlightenment / E17
  • 6% of voters (55)
    OpenBox / FluxBox
  • 3% of voters (30)
    Awesome / DWM
  • 9% of voters (81)
    Other
845 Total Votes  
post #5441 of 7733
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Originally Posted by phill1978 View Post

well its your opinion and i respect that, but if something works well for someone then its good for that person.
If you want to run it then that's your choice. I'd never tell people they shouldn't run anything that they woudn't want to. However when I played around with Kubuntu I found it a little like Stockholm Syndrome; where I was trying to convince myself that it wasn't crap because I couldn't be bothered to re-format and install something better.
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Originally Posted by phill1978 View Post

what exactly is wrong with kubuntu?

It's bloated and buggy. Plus lacks a lot of polish as an overall distro.
Edited by Plan9 - 6/6/13 at 2:46pm
post #5442 of 7733

I've always regarded openSUSE as one of the most polished KDE-centric distros, is there anything else that offers a better KDE experience (out of the box)?

post #5443 of 7733
So... speaking of KDE...


Got bored and started playing with a few install images of Debian 7.0 since I hadn't messed with it but long before the freeze. Just on a spare Dell Latitude XFR I had laying around, this things pretty much made to run Linux... and be run over by tanks.

Stock Debian 7.0 KDE



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Originally Posted by TFL Replica View Post

I've always regarded openSUSE as one of the most polished KDE-centric distros, is there anything else that offers a better KDE experience (out of the box)?

Out of the box... not many. But most do it yourself distros ( Arch, Gentoo, Slack, Etc ) offer some of the best that I've ever used.
post #5444 of 7733
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Originally Posted by Plan9 View Post


It's bloated and buggy. Plus lacks a lot of polish as an overall distro.

well i wont argue as you said its more about personal choice, but for the record it looked and felt almost exactly like any other KDE distro.. its just the way it is. The desktop environment (no matter what software is bundled) shapes the whole experience.. hence forth any distro with KDE feels overall incredibly samey. Breaking it down further once you have tried and got bored of all the major DE's for Linux, then Linux too becomes quite samey across the multiple different distros. Therefore you settle on one you like for the job it needs to do.
I wouldn't use it solely for a desktop workstation build but it has its place for an easy Game / HTPC as it has all the KDE trimming and the codecs ready to go. A lot of people have moved first from windows to kubuntu and that increased slice of the market is part of the reason Steam became viable

buggy? well i can talk about that. I am a Linux lover no doubt. Having said that not ONE single distro that i have run in the last three years hasn't had a good few crashes: incompatibility issues, driver borks,random xorg / mesa / fglrx, weird swap issues, black screen on boot, odd ball messages that only have reason to seasoned coders, application locks where things wouldn't un-install without a herculean effort or just plain desktop crashes.

So, Kubuntu may be buggy and bloaty but that's because KDE is buggy and bloaty. Cinnamon is buggy and due to memory leaks that have gone unresolved for a whole year is bloaty (try 2.0gb ram on idle if you leave it on for two days), Gnome is buggy and has blaot, MATE is buggy but thankfully not too bloaty.

XFCE is god like but yes sadly i have had some odd quirks but its basically the most stable and lightweight too.

By calling Kubuntu a pile of donkey poop your calling a lot of main stream Linux releases poop too like ubuntu and its just that built in 'distro snobbery' that makes people turn away from Linux and i think there are a good helping of reasons to do that beyond 200mb extra of ram usage on idle.
post #5445 of 7733
Man...Outside of Slackware...Kubuntu has been the one that worked out for me. Fedora fell apart in LXDE and KDE but I think it was more due to some problems with Fedora itself at the time. Running KDE on an ArchBang run didn't feel any faster or better in any way than it did on Slackware or Kubuntu.

Honestly...unless the maintainers horrifically screw up or you personally compile things yourself and do some other major customizing...can a person really notice a difference? I'd love to see a video actually testing that.

On a side topic:
Noop vs Deadline....I'm wondering what you guys think is better for SSDs?
     
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Intel Core m3-6Y30 Intel HD515 8GB 1866DDR3L Micron M600 MTFDDAV256MBF M.2, 256 GB 
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CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core m3-6Y30 Intel HD515 8GB 1866DDR3L Micron M600 MTFDDAV256MBF M.2, 256 GB 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Fanless Win10 Home x64 Kubuntu 16.04 (requires Linux kernel 4.5/4.6) 13.3 inch 16:9, 1920x1080 pixel, AU Optronics A... 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AthlonIIX4 640 3.62GHz (250x14.5) 2.5GHz NB Asus M4A785TD-M EVO MSI GTX275 (Stock 666) 8GBs of GSkill 1600 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
4GBs of Adata 1333 Kingston HyperX 3k 120GB WD Caviar Black 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
LG 8X BDR (WHL08S20) Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Kubuntu x64 Windows 7 x64 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Bodhi Linux x64 Acer G215H (1920x1080) Seasonic 520 HAF912 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
N450 1.8GHz AC and 1.66GHz batt ASUS proprietary for 1001P GMA3150 (can play bluray now!?) 1GB DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSOS
160GB LGLHDLBDRE32X Bodhi Linux Fedora LXDE 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Kubuntu SLAX 1280x600 + Dell 15inch Excellent! 
PowerCase
6 cells=6-12hrs and a charger 1001P MU17 Black 
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post #5446 of 7733
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Originally Posted by Rookie1337 View Post

Noop vs Deadline....I'm wondering what you guys think is better for SSDs?

I'd be interested in this as well. I use Noop, but it was just a random pick.
post #5447 of 7733
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Originally Posted by Rookie1337 View Post

Noop vs Deadline....I'm wondering what you guys think is better for SSDs?

The logic behind noop seems perfect for what SSD/flash media does best: random block access.

However, I know that deadline has been tweaked to create a "balance" between random block access devices and traditional rotational media. But there is still overhead associated with deadline (unless there is an explicit check as to what kind of media it is serving) for merging of io requests and sorting the io requests to create the longest consecutive access possible.

I personally run noop on my ssd, but I haven't noticed any difference between noop and dealine on my system. But from the logic side, noop makes more sense to run since it isn't merged/sorted like dealine can do.
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post #5448 of 7733
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Originally Posted by phill1978 View Post

well i wont argue as you said its more about personal choice, but for the record it looked and felt almost exactly like any other KDE distro.. its just the way it is. The desktop environment (no matter what software is bundled) shapes the whole experience.. hence forth any distro with KDE feels overall incredibly samey. Breaking it down further once you have tried and got bored of all the major DE's for Linux, then Linux too becomes quite samey across the multiple different distros. Therefore you settle on one you like for the job it needs to do.
I wouldn't use it solely for a desktop workstation build but it has its place for an easy Game / HTPC as it has all the KDE trimming and the codecs ready to go. A lot of people have moved first from windows to kubuntu and that increased slice of the market is part of the reason Steam became viable

By calling Kubuntu a pile of donkey poop your calling a lot of main stream Linux releases poop too like ubuntu and its just that built in 'distro snobbery' that makes people turn away from Linux and i think there are a good helping of reasons to do that beyond 200mb extra of ram usage on idle.

Wanting something that isn't bogged down with unnecessary bloat isn't distro snobbery. Saying one distro introduces more bugs to KDE than another isn't distro snobbery. If I wanted to be snobby then I'd say I don't like dumbed down distros or ones that aren't based on source repositories (neither of which are true by the way). And for the record, I think Ubuntu is garbage as well. Always have done, even before it was big.

As I said before, there's been no shortage of good user-orientated KDE distros over the years. But sadly I think Kubuntu isn't one of them. However I don't begruge other people using it. Just don't try to preach to me about how great it is when I've ran it side by side other distros and consistently seen it perform the worst.
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Originally Posted by phill1978 View Post

buggy? well i can talk about that. I am a Linux lover no doubt. Having said that not ONE single distro that i have run in the last three years hasn't had a good few crashes: incompatibility issues, driver borks,random xorg / mesa / fglrx, weird swap issues, black screen on boot, odd ball messages that only have reason to seasoned coders, application locks where things wouldn't un-install without a herculean effort or just plain desktop crashes.
Having been a Linux server administrator for a decade and desktop user for a few years previous to that, I can honestly say Linux crashes are rare. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by phill1978 View Post

So, Kubuntu may be buggy and bloaty but that's because KDE is buggy and bloaty. Cinnamon is buggy and due to memory leaks that have gone unresolved for a whole year is bloaty (try 2.0gb ram on idle if you leave it on for two days), Gnome is buggy and has blaot, MATE is buggy but thankfully not too bloaty.
Kubuntu is buggy and bloated because Kubuntu is buggy and bloated. KDE can run smoothly and nimbly on other distros (though obviously any next-gen compositing DE will come with a greater footprint that the older DEs that preceded it)
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Originally Posted by phill1978 View Post

XFCE is god like but yes sadly i have had some odd quirks but its basically the most stable and lightweight too.
XFCE isn't the most stable nor lightweight DE. LXDE, Enlightenment, Openbox (etc) all outperform XFCE in both those regards.
post #5449 of 7733
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Originally Posted by Plan9 View Post

Wanting something that isn't bogged down with unnecessary bloat isn't distro snobbery. Saying one distro introduces more bugs to KDE than another isn't distro snobbery. If I wanted to be snobby then I'd say I don't like dumbed down distros or ones that aren't based on source repositories (neither of which are true by the way). And for the record, I think Ubuntu is garbage as well. Always have done, even before it was big.

As I said before, there's been no shortage of good user-orientated KDE distros over the years. But sadly I think Kubuntu isn't one of them. However I don't begruge other people using it. Just don't try to preach to me about how great it is when I've ran it side by side other distros and consistently seen it perform the worst.
Having been a Linux server administrator for a decade and desktop user for a few years previous to that, I can honestly say Linux crashes are rare. smile.gif
Kubuntu is buggy and bloated because Kubuntu is buggy and bloated. KDE can run smoothly and nimbly on other distros (though obviously any next-gen compositing DE will come with a greater footprint that the older DEs that preceded it)
XFCE isn't the most stable nor lightweight DE. LXDE, Enlightenment, Openbox (etc) all outperform XFCE in both those regards.

well mine and other peoples experiences with kubuntu have been favorable. and your server not crashing is probably because its red hat?

there is some slight confusion here. Im not experiencing kernal crashes or service failures im litterally talking about compositing crashes that many thousands of people have experienced with KDE, cinnamon for example.
Literally two pages back someone said that cinnamon didn't crash, i then gave an easy example of how to quickly break the whole desktop just working normally as you would. Its a major bug i think i was the first to spot it! i reported it and it will probably take 6 months to fix. I can make KDE crash relatively easily when adding or removing widgets or resizing the taskbar or working with workspaces and activities, the more you flex KDE's muscles the more the cracks appear. I can fubar DE's quite easily by changing the default fonts... just some examples.

were not talking about tried and tested unix.bsd like server os's were talking about desktop distros and a lot of them are very easy to mess up. if you play nice and dont customize too much then your probably not going to get corruptions but for everyone else they do.

anyways enough DE-railment .. get it tongue.gif
Edited by Pip Boy - 6/6/13 at 5:11pm
post #5450 of 7733
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Originally Posted by phill1978 View Post

well mine and other peoples experiences with kubuntu have been favorable. and your server not crashing is probably because its red hat?

Red Hat, Cent, Debian, Arch, OpenBSD, really anything won't crash often when properly maintained. My home Arch server had a perfect record until last years filesystem massacre. The majority of the non-redhat servers I manage are up 24/7 too. And I know a couple of guy s... who... well quite frankly it would be better if I hired a monkey to do their job.
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Originally Posted by phill1978 View Post

were not talking about tried and tested unix.bsd like server os's were talking about desktop distros and a lot of them are very easy to mess up.

Just comes down to who's using them and the base programs. You expecting Mint 15 Cinnamon to not crash when it's still release candidate and not release ready is... expecting a lot quite hoenstly.
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