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How much stiffer would you say it is compared to the MX blue then?
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Just bought one of these, really interested in trying new switches, will compare to my MX Browns. Don't care if its noisy, hope it doesn't ping too badly though. Hopefully customs won't nab it and charge me a ton of extra moneys :/
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How much stiffer would you say it is compared to the MX blue then?


Standard Cherry MX blue is 50g and this one, someone said that it's probably somewhere between 55 - 58g (it's in this post somewhere).  Anyway, they feel a lot stiffer to me.

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Well, my board arrived today, customs did nab it, and they did charge me a tone of extra money, but it was worth it, for science!
A little review for those interested -

The Good -
-Tactile click is pretty nice, don't find myself bottoming out or having as many missed keypresses as I did on my MX Browns.
-The printing on the keycaps is actually pretty nice compaed to the small, muddy printing on my old I-Rocks.
-It is a pretty good weight, grips the desk pretty nicely.
-It makes the sort of noise that makes you want to type faster, you generally have confidence that you know you have hit the key correctly.
-The layout is really nice compared to my I-Rocks, obviously.
-Keycaps are moulded quite solidly, certainly moreso than signature plastics doubleshot cherrys. The keys feel lighter than on my I-rocks though, maybe they will feel a little nicer with a bit of wear.
-Keycaps are nowhere near as wobbly as I expected from ALPS, they really aren't any more wobbly than the stems on my MX Brown board, what is very wobbly is the right shift though, with backspace and left shift they are the only keys that are excessively wobbly IMO.
-Build quality is decent, panel fit was actually pretty good for a Ducky.
-Numpad access via numlock for those applications that absolutely have to have a numpad. Downside to this is the marginally distracting subtext on the right side of the board.
-Actuation point is nice and high, this is personal preference, but I like this.

The Bad -
-Its noisy! I expected this, and I can tolerate it, others in the household may not be able to though, lol. Every key sounds like a space bar would be my description of the noise. Not all of this noise is from the tactile click, theres a general clatter on button release, but no ping! I can live with it.
-The tactile click, which while I love it, feels quite sharp and clunky, the tactile leaf feels really dry to me, a little extra wear may help the feel settle in, if not its not the end of the world to try greasing the leafs. A couple of the keys also feel like they need a little extra force to actuate than others. I havn't tried blues but I imagine a comparison to blues as follows: XM Green - cheap click ballpen, MX Blues - expensive parker ballpen, the click is probably just as loud, but one feels nicer to the ears and fingers.
-Detachable USB cord, yeah it looks ugly, 'nuff said.
-No rubber feet on the riser stands underneath the keyboard, I don't use these but its bad form not to have rubber feet on it.
-ALPS style keycaps are the most annoying thing in the world to remove safely, will make deep cleaning the board a pain in future.
-Right Ctrl is a little small for my taste.

The Ugly -
-Build quality, while panel fitment is okay on my board, its not really a great design with that many seams showing. The edges of the case are pretty square and sharp, not nicely rounded. At this price I don't expect a filco build quality, but a little extra care on finishing the casing would be nice. Finishing around the USB port is pretty ugly.
-The capslock and numlock switches are horrible, I would hate a whole keyboard of those.
-The arrow legends on the arrow keys are pretty spindly, would prefer them to be thicker.
-The tactile nipples on F and J are pathetic, barely able to feel them.
-Did I mention the detachable USB cord is ugly? Because it really is.

Overall for the price its a decent board. If you can afford it grab a Filco or Leopold instead I'd probably recommend spending the extra. If you are a silent freak then avoid this board, its an alps based switch so its bound to be pretty loud. It has its drawbacks, but provided you can look past them then you probably won't be disappointed. It's actually a pretty nice board to type alot on, my typing accuracy seems to be better than on the Browns, provided you do not have sensitive ears, I wouldn't say its much louder than some rubber dome boards though.

To answer one of ripster's questions, these are most definitely not linear, they have the tactile leaf like other simplified alps. The spring is pretty soft, the majority of the actuation force comes from the tactile leaf. I can take some pics of the innards of the switch if you like (its no hassle at all to disassemble, already have done so on one switch to experiment with lube).
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Sort of off subject, but isn't there a guide floating around on how to buy (in English) from PChome? I always see some crazy cases on there that I wouldn't mind trying, but it is difficult to navigate the site. Even with Google translate I get lost.
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Sort of off subject, but isn't there a guide floating around on how to buy (in English) from PChome? I always see some crazy cases on there that I wouldn't mind trying, but it is difficult to navigate the site. Even with Google translate I get lost.

Yep, this is about the extent of the guide though -
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?12854-PChome-%28Taiwan%29-20-Worldwide-Shipping-Promo
Google translate won't work over SSL when you order, so either following that guide is pretty essential.
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Ok, thanks a lot Coffeejunky. I knew I had seen that somewhere.
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Can anyone tell if this green ALPS switches have gap between actuation point and reset point like MX blue or no such gap like MX Brown?

This would be my first mechanical keyboard and would be used for typing and gaming. I think I prefer tactile switch but I am worried about quick double tapping problems similar to MX Blue in RTS games.
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Can anyone tell if this green ALPS switches have gap between actuation point and reset point like MX blue or no such gap like MX Brown?

This would be my first mechanical keyboard and would be used for typing and gaming. I think I prefer tactile switch but I am worried about quick double tapping problems similar to MX Blue in RTS games.

There is no, or at the very least no noticable gap between click and actuation point. However the actuation point is very high compared to Cherry switches, so it may take a little getting used to, but I'm sure it shouldn't be an issue, I can double-tap just fine.
Status update: Been using this keyboard as a daily driver (Including typing 70% of my MA Thesis), and have been pretty satisfied with it. The tactile click still hasn't bedded in too much, so the switches still feel a bit dry and 'cracky', but this is a good sign for the durability of the switches.
As for key lettering, not too good on this front, most of they keys in the main typing area have had their laser infill significantly worn down or completely worn through to the bottom of the lasered engraving. A small caveat here, I do wear through laser infill quicker than most people it seems, and on the plus side the keys that have had most use (WSAD, Shift, T) are not noticably more shiny than the rest yet, just have fainter marking. Eventually I imagine it will be impossible to read the lettering in low light, not an issue for me, but bearing in mind you cannot buy PBT keysets for this (or even spare keysets) something to bear in mind.
Oh and it does not get any quieter, I've had complaints of it waking people up in the morning in the room upstairs xD
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