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Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt View Post
Actually the patent Intel has on x86 is what secures its monopoly. If Intel's x86 was allowed to expire they'd have competition from Nvidia and Samsung. Possibly Sony. Maybe ARM.
They don't need to let it expire. The only thing securing Intel's monopoly has been Windows, and Windows was always x86.

But for the first time in the history of the company, Microsoft is releasing a full blown Windows OS targeted at ARM.

This is going to completely annihilate Atom, since now companies like ASUS will be able to release Windows netbooks running a chip thats faster, cheaper, and consumes less power than Intel's Atom.

Whats more is the cutthroat competition between Qualcomm, nVidia, and TI will result in much faster innovation than Intel is used to.

We're still just shy of getting any tablets based on Intel's latest SoC Atom, and by the time we see any devices running the 1-1.6GHz single core we'll have devices running a 1.5GHz quad core Tegra 3, probably with less power consumption as well.


But Microsoft jumping to ARM will do a lot more. ARM's recent announcement of the 64bit ARM-v8 instruction set opens the door to desktop applications as well.

We all know how much nVidia loves the desktop segment, and we know how eager they are to start developing CPUs to go with their GPUs. If they can make a 1.5GHz quad core and stick it inside a device as small as a phone, how much better do you think they'll be able to do jumping from 2W to 200W?

nVidia jumping into the CPU arms race is probably the best thing that could happen. We wouldn't have to rely solely on AMD bringing out trash like Bulldozer, since we'd still have nVidia there to stop Intel from jacking up the price of CPUs, and maybe if AMD started fighting Intel like they're fighting nVidia they wouldn't suck so much.
    
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And that's weird...wasn't Intel planning to open up a fab. plant in New York?

And honestly, the CPU industry is pretty much a duopoly, and AMD is still much smaller than Intel. That's just the way it is. Can't really penalize a company for having a superior product(s).
Superior products? No. This is from years ago when AMD introduced the Athlon 64 and it was stomping Intel into the dirt.
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Dear lord jesus sweet christ. For as long as I've been on OCN, there is ALWAYS at least 1 person that thinks the Intel v. AMD suit has something to do with present tense.
Like the guy above.
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They don't need to let it expire. The only thing securing Intel's monopoly has been Windows, and Windows was always x86.

But for the first time in the history of the company, Microsoft is releasing a full blown Windows OS targeted at ARM.

This is going to completely annihilate Atom, since now companies like ASUS will be able to release Windows netbooks running a chip thats faster, cheaper, and consumes less power than Intel's Atom.

Whats more is the cutthroat competition between Qualcomm, nVidia, and TI will result in much faster innovation than Intel is used to.

We're still just shy of getting any tablets based on Intel's latest SoC Atom, and by the time we see any devices running the 1-1.6GHz single core we'll have devices running a 1.5GHz quad core Tegra 3, probably with less power consumption as well.


But Microsoft jumping to ARM will do a lot more. ARM's recent announcement of the 64bit ARM-v8 instruction set opens the door to desktop applications as well.

We all know how much nVidia loves the desktop segment, and we know how eager they are to start developing CPUs to go with their GPUs. If they can make a 1.5GHz quad core and stick it inside a device as small as a phone, how much better do you think they'll be able to do jumping from 2W to 200W?

nVidia jumping into the CPU arms race is probably the best thing that could happen. We wouldn't have to rely solely on AMD bringing out trash like Bulldozer, since we'd still have nVidia there to stop Intel from jacking up the price of CPUs, and maybe if AMD started fighting Intel like they're fighting nVidia they wouldn't suck so much.
It'll be nice if more competitors get into the ring. The ARM processors sound very promising.

And Nvidia hopping in the ring, oh man. Well they can still stick it up their butt.
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post #33 of 43
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Antitrust laws are a joke. The only true source of a monopoly is government. Intel can't use force to make you buy a product or use force to close down a competitor.

They could become a monopoly buy actually producing GOOD products in which consumer CHOOSE to purchase.
derp derp derp




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I thought they've been sued for this already and settled/paid fines? I am confused.



Nah, monopolies form when there's lack of regulation. US laws as they are now generally favor letting the megacorps do whatever the hell they want, and so you get monopolies.
intel probably did it in multiple state .. so if each state wants to file for seperate anti thrust lawsuit they could ... unless the hit intel took not too long ago with amd was made so that they couldnt ...

but who knows

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And that's weird...wasn't Intel planning to open up a fab. plant in New York?

And honestly, the CPU industry is pretty much a duopoly, and AMD is still much smaller than Intel. That's just the way it is. Can't really penalize a company for having a superior product(s).
it isnt a duapoly .. intel owns 95% of the cpu market ... id call that a monopoly



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Wonder how badly AMD was hurt from their price fixing scandal lawsuit.
id guess alot


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I said price fixing. Which is what AMD did with their GPUs to try and shut out Intel for fear of Larrabee. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvi...hics,6311.html

People love to point fingers at Intel but try to sweep under the rug similar actions by AMD.
was this even proved in court??


but the intel issue was ...
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post #34 of 43
Apparently, because it's over 20 years since the release of the 486, the subset of the x86 instruction set that the 486 supported is actually open to be used by anyone.

So technically, people could already design and market their own x86 chips... the problem being that they wouldn't run a good majority of modern binaries.
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Except they did what they are accused of doing. I hope the suit goes forward, Intel needs to be punished for what they did as they have been reaping the benefits ever since.

EDIT: Poopascoopa, price fixing is a very different thing from the behavior that Intel engaged in. In pricing fixing it the only the consumer who is hurt, the companies all do well. Intel not only hurt consumers by lowering their choice, they also hurt their competitor, leaving a market where they alone could thrive and consumers and Intel's competitors would be hurt. Anyway, Nvidia settled that class action and paid up.
Edited by Mygaffer - 10/31/11 at 5:16am
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I don't think this is new at all; intel has been bypassing anti trust laws for years.
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why is faildozer in the tags for this thread?
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why is faildozer in the tags for this thread?
Because some unintelligent user here finds it funny to repeatedly tag threads with it. Click on the tag, you'll see how many threads have been tagged with it.
    
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They don't need to let it expire. The only thing securing Intel's monopoly has been Windows, and Windows was always x86.

But for the first time in the history of the company, Microsoft is releasing a full blown Windows OS targeted at ARM.

This is going to completely annihilate Atom, since now companies like ASUS will be able to release Windows netbooks running a chip thats faster, cheaper, and consumes less power than Intel's Atom.

Whats more is the cutthroat competition between Qualcomm, nVidia, and TI will result in much faster innovation than Intel is used to.

We're still just shy of getting any tablets based on Intel's latest SoC Atom, and by the time we see any devices running the 1-1.6GHz single core we'll have devices running a 1.5GHz quad core Tegra 3, probably with less power consumption as well.


But Microsoft jumping to ARM will do a lot more. ARM's recent announcement of the 64bit ARM-v8 instruction set opens the door to desktop applications as well.

We all know how much nVidia loves the desktop segment, and we know how eager they are to start developing CPUs to go with their GPUs. If they can make a 1.5GHz quad core and stick it inside a device as small as a phone, how much better do you think they'll be able to do jumping from 2W to 200W?

nVidia jumping into the CPU arms race is probably the best thing that could happen. We wouldn't have to rely solely on AMD bringing out trash like Bulldozer, since we'd still have nVidia there to stop Intel from jacking up the price of CPUs, and maybe if AMD started fighting Intel like they're fighting nVidia they wouldn't suck so much.
The only problem I see is with the uncertainty of the ARM instruction sets' performance. From what I recall it would take a lot of changes to the CPUs as well that would greatly increase their power consumption to make them reach 1:1 with x86. And even then I thought they said (the designers and makers) that going to larger power draw they might not be as efficient (at least not in the first try) as even the current x86-64 capable CPUs.

That said with the way Intel has been lately I'd love for others to start putting some fear back into them. Of course the Chinese might beat everyone with their second CPU design that's better (IIRC) than "Godson"/"Longson"
     
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Look at the dates:

November 3rd 2009: Andrew Cuomo Attorney General of NY Sues Intel for Bribing and Coercing manufacturers and robbing consumers for 10 years.
http://www.ag.ny.gov/media_center/2009/nov/NYAG_v_Intel_COMPLAINT_FINAL.pdf

The case goes to COURT in February (3 months away).

September 27th, 2011: Now governor Cuomo announces 4.4 billion dollar investment in Albany, led by Intel.
http://www.governor.ny.gov/press/092711chiptechnologyinvestment

October 27th, 2011: EXACTLY ONE MONTH LATER, Intel asks lawsuit to be dismissed.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2120866/intel-antitrust-claims-dismissed

Peeeeeeeeyooooooo! I smell an Intel bribe skunk!
http://www.intelsinsides.com/page/com_12.html

Man, this corrupt monopolist can't be stopped!
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