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Hi Guys, Just came across a section in Steve Jobs biography thought was very interesting. It relates to industrial theft,

"The Apple raid on Xerox PARC is sometimes described as one of the biggest heists in the chronicles of industry. Jobs occasionally endorsed this view,
with pride. As he once said, “Picasso had a saying—‘good artists copy, great artists steal’—and we have always been shameless about stealing great
ideas.”

Considering alot of people say all Microsoft do is steal from Apple its interesting to see Jobs consider this perfectly acceptable behavior.
post #2 of 11
Microsoft have never ever stolen from Apple. The thing is - haters rant "Windows doesn't have this, Windows doesn't have that" and when Microsoft does its best to fix those shortcomings, haters go "HA! Microsoft stole".

M$ didn't steal, you idiots (referring to the haters). They just implement the features that YOU complain are missing!
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Bill Gates has been trying to market tablet pcs since 2000, they didn't catch on until Jobs sold it...all the hipsters love stuff with mac on it
    
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For someone who followed Zen teachings I wonder what kind of karma he will have and whether or not it is seen as bad or good.
post #5 of 11
I thought Xerox allowed them in? Thus, is it really stealing??
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Sure it is if you don't pay for it, also although the quote says Xerox the real point is he says they were shameless about stealing, he obviously considered it stealing and had no problem with doing it.
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To be honest, I seriously doubt that Picasso meant great artists literally steal things from other people. He was more likely talking about good artists imitating a style and a great artists taking the style and making it his own, assimilating it (or, stealing it).

Jobs either took this out of context or lost sight of the original meaning (given that I'm not sure what context the larger conversation was in). By admitting that they are shameless about stealing without addressing what Picasso probably really meant indicates to me that he is just smug about taking ideas. If he is taking into account the more abstract meaning, he isn't putting that forward in that quote.

Open to interpretation. Also, no one knows if Picasso actually said that.
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Microsoft have never ever stolen from Apple. The thing is - haters rant "Windows doesn't have this, Windows doesn't have that" and when Microsoft does its best to fix those shortcomings, haters go "HA! Microsoft stole".

M$ didn't steal, you idiots (referring to the haters). They just implement the features that YOU complain are missing!

Didn't Bill Gates steal the idea for Windows from Steve Jobs?
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Didn't Bill Gates steal the idea for Windows from Steve Jobs?

No, Steve hired Bill to make him a UI operating system (after using the Xerox team to make him a device to control those biggrin.gif ), without preserving the rights to use UI, so Bill is practically using his own creation in Windows, but Jobbs rages, because "he didn't think it'd be like that".
In "Pirates of the silicone valley" Bill says it best - "All cars are allowed to have wheels" smile.gif
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Well then Steve shouldn't have a problem with me downloading his biography on ThePirateBay then?
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