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Originally Posted by IOSEFINI;15485921 
same thing here.

4.6GHz needs ......1.3375V(LinX)......1.38125V(Prime95)

Yes but linx only stresses the Fpu's which bulldozer only has 4 of in its 8 core model.
Prime 95 must be testing the other part of the module that needs more voltage.
To prove my poing try running prime with 4c 4m and see if it will pass with a lower voltage.
This chip is different than a deneb you have to realize that.
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Originally Posted by DirektEffekt;15485882 
The most annoying thing for me is that the "ILLEGAL SUMOUT"'s are just technically "warnings" but they occur repeatedly causing to to fail. I have to push about 1.4v at load to avoid the errors, but I can go to higher clocks with those same voltages and run LinX for hours without any errors which is really annoying. I'd hate to have a bad module on the chip and honestly I'm feeling like just calling LinX stable and putting the p95 results down as "odd". Also, I have heard that F@H can be used as a stress test and is much more sensitive. How? If that is true I think I would feel safe being F@H stable.

Well, Illegal sumout is no warning it is definately an error just not a fatal one causing the whole system/OS to crash. F@h is indeed a good way to test stability, but if you get a sum error in Prime you should really do something about it. It isn't very good if your CPU causes glitches and therefore craps reliability in a moment you need it. You'll probably even get a slowdown because of the glitches rendering your extra OC useless.
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Originally Posted by TheBlademaster01;15485982 
Well, Illegal sumout is no warning it is definately an error just not a fatal one causing the whole system/OS to crash. F@h is indeed a good way to test stability, but if you get a sum error in Prime you should really do something about it. It isn't very good if your CPU causes glitches and therefore craps reliability in a moment you need it. You'll probably even get a slowdown because of the glitches rendering your extra OC useless.

I'm considering trying to get a replacement chip, it seems like two of my cores are really bad since the rest will run happily at a fairly low voltage, but to get the last two stable I need a considerable amount of extra voltage which has me concerned about long term degradation from trying to keep it stable.

EDIT: Just to give you an idea of how poor my chip is, it locks up the entire PC while running p95 at 4.4ghz at 1.4v at load!
Edited by DirektEffekt - 10/28/11 at 7:26am
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post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by DirektEffekt;15486000 
I'm considering trying to get a replacement chip, it seems like two of my cores are really bad since the rest will run happily at a fairly low voltage, but to get the last two stable I need a considerable amount of extra voltage which has me concerned about long term degradation from trying to keep it stable.

EDIT: Just to give you an idea of how poor my chip is, it locks up the entire PC while running p95 at 4.4ghz at 1.4v at load!

The chip wasn't binned to clock that high.
If you wanted your BD to hit at least 4.5GHz stable you should have bought the 8150. Why return a fully functional chip that works at stock clocks?
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Originally Posted by DirektEffekt;15485965 
What board is that on? I need way more voltage than you, I either got a dud chip or you got a good one!

CH V mobo. Thats the voltage set in BIOS. Its like 1.42-1.43v @ full load
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Originally Posted by IOSEFINI;15486189 
CH V mobo. Thats the voltage set in BIOS. Its like 1.42-1.43v @ full load

That explains it, I assume maximum LLC is enabled then? I was only reading load volts.

Also, I didn't get the 8150 because they are extremely difficult to find, especially in Aus. I wonder if they were having some serious yield problems. Would explain the lack of higher binned parts.

Maybe I'll just push more volts, summer is coming anyway, which means plenty of work for a uni student so I'll be able to afford replacements if they go awry.
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post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by DirektEffekt;15486215 
That explains it, I assume maximum LLC is enabled then? I was only reading load volts.

Also, I didn't get the 8150 because they are extremely difficult to find, especially in Aus. I wonder if they were having some serious yield problems. Would explain the lack of higher binned parts.

Maybe I'll just push more volts, summer is coming anyway, which means plenty of work for a uni student so I'll be able to afford replacements if they go awry.

Yes, extreme for LLC(always:))
I missed the 8150 too , so I got the 8120. I have no idea how good the 8150 is(for OCing), but my 8120 has no problems @ 4.6. Will push it higher in the next days.

I ran it @ 5.0GHz (Linx) with no problems. Needed 1.5125V(BIOS). Didn't test it with P95. Needs too much volts.
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Yes, extreme for LLC(always:))
I missed the 8150 too , so I got the 8120. I have no idea how good the 8150 is(for OCing), but my 8120 has no problems @ 4.6. Will push it higher in the next days.

I ran it @ 5.0GHz (Linx) with no problems. Needed 1.5125V(BIOS). Didn't test it with P95. Needs too much volts.

Yeah, I'm starting to think that HUGE volts may be the way to go... Heats up my Sabertooth's heatsinks pretty bad though, got a 120mm over those for some extra cooling or I think it would hurt me rolleyes.gif

I always have the worst luck with CPUs though. First it was a 3.6 P4 that wouldn't even do 4 briefly, then a C2D that wouldn't do 3.5, Q6600 G0 that would struggle to hit 3.6, i7 920 C0 that would struggle to get over 3.6, a D0 950 that wouldn't do 4 without 1.45v, a 1055T that hated anything over 3.9 and any RAM over 1600 without massive volts through the CPU-NB and now an FX-8120 that won't do above 4.6 without stupid volts... Ohhh well... Just keep tweaking! rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by DirektEffekt;15485882 
The most annoying thing for me is that the "ILLEGAL SUMOUT"'s are just technically "warnings" but they occur repeatedly causing to to fail. I have to push about 1.4v at load to avoid the errors, but I can go to higher clocks with those same voltages and run LinX for hours without any errors which is really annoying. I'd hate to have a bad module on the chip and honestly I'm feeling like just calling LinX stable and putting the p95 results down as "odd". Also, I have heard that F@H can be used as a stress test and is much more sensitive. How? If that is true I think I would feel safe being F@H stable.

My chip behaves in a similar manor... having one sometimes two "illegal sumouts" as I increase my overclocks and stress with Prime. I doubt that there is anything defective with your chip. AMD/Intel do not guarantee a certain percentage of overclock and some samples are better than others.

I also thought at first that I had a weaker module/cores but I now think this is just the way Bulldozer clocks. This is a new "uArch" and most likely Prime is just more effective at indicating instability with BD.

BTW... I've currently settled on a ~1.4v daily overclock for my chip. If I want to run slower... I can reduce vcore if I want to run faster... I have to increase vcore.
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The most annoying thing for me is that the "ILLEGAL SUMOUT"'s are just technically "warnings" but they occur repeatedly causing to to fail.

That's like saying the TEMP warning light on your dash is just a warning.
Well, yeah. What did you want it to do? Catch fire?
 
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