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I have had (it's going back to futureshop) an HP Pavilion G4 notebook for school. It's the one with the AMD Llano CPU.

I've got nothing but problems with it, including vast instability, running both windows and ubuntu...it's essentially only usable without GPU drivers, where many features are unusable and battery life is <2 hours.

Traditionally I've been an AMD fan, but I need something that is 100% reliable, all the time. I was looking at buying an Intel system this time. Specifically this one: http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/produ...ceba302595en02

How reliable are Acer laptops? (in comparison to HP) And can I burn a recovery image of the OS on Acer just in case? Like HP.

Any help would be excellent. (budget is $700 after 13% tax)
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Acer used to be terrible, but have improved over the last few years. I would still advise avoiding them unless you've seen that model in person and are happy with the build quality. Like HP they make good stuff and bad, and the only way to know is to see it.

As for the recovery image, i think you can burn one off a partition. My newish packard bell laptop is acer made, and i think it had a partition. I erased over it though

Don't worry about who makes the cpu. Im traditionally an intel guy, but my laptop is athlon ii and it makes no difference. If you didn't like the battery life and drivers of Llano then avoid those.

I wouldn't advise an athlon ii now though, an i3 is much faster.
     
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the dark side lol intel right now is so good in terms of value for money, and they smoke the comp in performance too
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Acer used to be terrible, but have improved over the last few years. I would still advise avoiding them unless you've seen that model in person and are happy with the build quality. Like HP they make good stuff and bad, and the only way to know is to see it.

As for the recovery image, i think you can burn one off a partition. My newish packard bell laptop is acer made, and i think it had a partition. I erased over it though

Don't worry about who makes the cpu. Im traditionally an intel guy, but my laptop is athlon ii and it makes no difference. If you didn't like the battery life and drivers of Llano then avoid those.

I wouldn't advise an athlon ii now though, an i3 is much faster.
Thanks man, I'm going into the store to drop off the HP, and that's when I'll take a look at it. I'm just very concerned about reliability after this system. And I did a bit of research with the Llano chips, I've read that a BIOS update is necessary to gain any stability at all. I spoke with some people in my classes that have G4's as well, and everyone has the exact same problems as me
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the dark side lol intel right now is so good in terms of value for money, and they smoke the comp in performance too
true, I'm looking for something that is cheap, and can run all the programs I need for engineering, at once. i3's should have the juice to do it
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Thanks man, I'm going into the store to drop off the HP, and that's when I'll take a look at it. I'm just very concerned about reliability after this system. And I did a bit of research with the Llano chips, I've read that a BIOS update is necessary to gain any stability at all. I spoke with some people in my classes that have G4's as well, and everyone has the exact same problems as me


true, I'm looking for something that is cheap, and can run all the programs I need for engineering, at once. i3's should have the juice to do it
Well, if you're looking for something good and like supporting the Linux/Ubuntu cause then you might be interested in these guys.
http://www.system76.com/laptops/

But this is assuming you already have a win7 disc or can get it (you should be able to since MS loves giving windows away to schools).
     
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Well, if you're looking for something good and like supporting the Linux/Ubuntu cause then you might be interested in these guys.
http://www.system76.com/laptops/

But this is assuming you already have a win7 disc or can get it (you should be able to since MS loves giving windows away to schools).
That's an awesome I'll consider it.

Everything I need for school runs on windows. I have a 7 disk, so that shouldn't be an issue as long as I can install it.

A 14.1" laptop that has the stuff I need (at least 500gb HDD and 4GB of ram) costs $700 (i'm not sure about taxes or anything) and that'd put my bank account into single digits, (plus I have to pay for school) so I think I'm more or less sold on this Acer


Thanks for the heads up though, later on, when I'm done school I'll take a look at getting a System 76.


One more quick question, with this laptop (the acer) I'll have an Intel integrated graphics GPU, how are the drivers like in Linux?

(Never got to try out AMD's, system would crash within minutes of boot with them installed)
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From what i remember (this was 2007 and on intel "extreme" 2 graphics ) Intel's graphics drivers are quite good in linux. The hardware itself isn't all that great though.
     
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That's an awesome I'll consider it.

Everything I need for school runs on windows. I have a 7 disk, so that shouldn't be an issue as long as I can install it.

A 14.1" laptop that has the stuff I need (at least 500gb HDD and 4GB of ram) costs $700 (i'm not sure about taxes or anything) and that'd put my bank account into single digits, (plus I have to pay for school) so I think I'm more or less sold on this Acer


Thanks for the heads up though, later on, when I'm done school I'll take a look at getting a System 76.


One more quick question, with this laptop (the acer) I'll have an Intel integrated graphics GPU, how are the drivers like in Linux?

(Never got to try out AMD's, system would crash within minutes of boot with them installed)
I'm not actually all that versed in the Intel side since I've usually just let the distro take over with Intel GPUs but I think it's run by mesa and it seems like you will be just fine with them outside of trying to game with WINE. Your best bet is to check with the more veteran users like transhour, mushroomboy, and the rest in the Linux subsection of these forums. I bet Melcar could have helped out with the Fusion GPU since he runs a thread on the AMD drivers.

As for that Acer...I'm definitely against a first gen i-series. The 14incher on system76 can be had for about 650 with 4GBs and a 500GB HDD if you don't get the Intel wifi chip and the Canadian shipping coverage(but you probably want that).

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I'm not actually all that versed in the Intel side since I've usually just let the distro take over with Intel GPUs but I think it's run by mesa and it seems like you will be just fine with them outside of trying to game with WINE. Your best bet is to check with the more veteran users like transhour, mushroomboy, and the rest in the Linux subsection of these forums. I bet Melcar could have helped out with the Fusion GPU since he runs a thread on the AMD drivers.

As for that Acer...I'm definitely against a first gen i-series. The 14incher on system76 can be had for about 650 with 4GBs and a 500GB HDD if you don't get the Intel wifi chip and the Canadian shipping coverage(but you probably want that).

What exactly are you looking to run?
I ended up returning the HP to futureshop under warranty saying the GPU is failing.

I picked up an Acer aspire 5749 with the i3 sandybridge in it. (for just over $700 all in, my parents threw me a few coin)

currently dual booting windows 7 and ubuntu 11.04

Everything is running perfectly, seems stable thus far.

Only down fall is a a performance hit coming from the AMD A6 3400M and going to the i3 2330M, it's slower...simply put
Other than that, I'm happy I now have a system that works, currently enjoying myself on this side of the fence. Thank you guys for the help
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I think the problems you experienced is to blame on HP; not AMD. HP makes terrible laptops with all sorts of malfunctions.

But for that price you should've gotten an i5 on that Acer. I don't think you did a good purchase.
Edited by Stefy - 10/30/11 at 9:42am
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