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When we get Deus Ex in real life
Can't wait for the drug addiction . The one thing I found the best about the games storyline is that kind of reality would happen. That would provide absolute power over the human population (dependency is a ugly beast) and we would have to bow to the ones smart enough to do it.
    
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in the future there won't be any need for our fragile bodies of flesh. we'll all be cyborgs
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You can not and will NOT emulate a human brain.
We can and we will.
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You can NOT emulate emotion,
Emotion is a biochemical process, which can be emulated.
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you can NOT emulate free thought,
Yes you can, free thought is nothing more than organic processing.

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you can NOT emulate photographic memory
You can, although it'd be rather pointless at that point. Aside from that, nearly no one who uses written language has an eidetic memory.
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you can NOT emulate emotion paired with free thought. It's impossible.
Yes you can, and no it's not. Every single phenomena of the mind can be explained and attributed to electrochemical reactions and neuron configurations. Don't be afraid.

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Side note, our brains function with chemicals, not calculations.
Chemicals can be emulated, thus brains can be emulated. This is not a difficult concept, and it's irrefutable.


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By the way this is how I see it. DON'T START ANY FLAMING OR SOME DUMB BS THIS IS MY VIEW, SO SIT DOWN AND LISTEN.

God created us, we can not out power God.
Man created computer.
Computer can NOT out power us.
Oh dear lord. Would you care to point out where the soul lies? If memory, thought, emotion, and perception can all be explained through the entirety of our nervous system, what purpose does this hypothetical soul with absolutely no evidence for its existence serve at that point?

Also, one day, humans will create a sentience greater than any of our own individuals'. Assuming we last long enough, as a species. It's inevitable.

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However I love IBM. Very much.
I don't. They're just a corporation. Pushing boundaries, perhaps. But at the end of the day it is what it is.


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Free thought is IMPOSSIBLE to emulate with just using CALCULATIONS.
That's some nice magical thinking. Sometimes I wish I had the benefit of having such a rudimentary mind. It'd make life easier.
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We can and we will.

Emotion is a biochemical process, which can be emulated.

Yes you can, free thought is nothing more than organic processing.


You can, although it'd be rather pointless at that point. Aside from that, nearly no one who uses written language has an eidetic memory.

Yes you can, and no it's not. Every single phenomena of the mind can be explained and attributed to electrochemical reactions and neuron configurations. Don't be afraid.


Chemicals can be emulated, thus brains can be emulated. This is not a difficult concept, and it's irrefutable.



Oh dear lord. Would you care to point out where the soul lies? If memory, thought, emotion, and perception can all be explained through the entirety of our nervous system, what purpose does this hypothetical soul with absolutely no evidence for its existence serve at that point?

Also, one day, humans will create a sentience greater than any of our own individuals'. Assuming we last long enough, as a species. It's inevitable.


I don't. They're just a corporation. Pushing boundaries, perhaps. But at the end of the day it is what it is.



That's some nice magical thinking. Sometimes I wish I had the benefit of having such a rudimentary mind. It'd make life easier.
Couldn't have said it better myself. There's no magic behind "free will."* The more we research, the more we can explain. In the end, it all comes down to cause and effect.

*I put free will in quotes because, as made obvious by my second and third sentences, I believe in a deterministic universe.
    
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We can and we will.
We can simulate anything in this world, but not the human brain?

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Emotion is a biochemical process, which can be emulated.
Yes, into a chemical outcome. The outcome would have to be logical however.
(6aR,9R)- N,N- diethyl- 7-methyl- 4,6,6a,7,8,9- hexahydroindolo- [4,3-fg] quinoline- 9-carboxamide
Okay, what the hell did that show us? Ohhh, we rediscovered 1+1

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Yes you can, free thought is nothing more than organic processing.



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You can, although it'd be rather pointless at that point. Aside from that, nearly no one who uses written language has an eidetic memory.
Again,

And I do. it's not hard.

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Yes you can, and no it's not. Every single phenomena of the mind can be explained and attributed to electrochemical reactions and neuron configurations. Don't be afraid.
So what you're saying is, if a brain was emulated, it would raise itself?


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Chemicals can be emulated, thus brains can be emulated. This is not a difficult concept, and it's irrefutable.
Chemicals are numbers bro. Calculations. Angry + Angry = Happy?



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Oh dear lord. Would you care to point out where the soul lies? If memory, thought, emotion, and perception can all be explained through the entirety of our nervous system, what purpose does this hypothetical soul with absolutely no evidence for its existence serve at that point?
We don't need to discuss that. By the way, that's apparently your idea of the soul.

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Also, one day, humans will create a sentience greater than any of our own individuals'. Assuming we last long enough, as a species. It's inevitable.
I don't think so, unless you're referring to the internet.


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I don't. They're just a corporation. Pushing boundaries, perhaps. But at the end of the day it is what it is.
IBM invented the PC...



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That's some nice magical thinking. Sometimes I wish I had the benefit of having such a rudimentary mind. It'd make life easier.
Life is hard?
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We can simulate anything in this world, but not the human brain?


Yes, into a chemical outcome. The outcome would have to be logical however.
(6aR,9R)- N,N- diethyl- 7-methyl- 4,6,6a,7,8,9- hexahydroindolo- [4,3-fg] quinoline- 9-carboxamide
Okay, what the hell did that show us? Ohhh, we rediscovered 1+1






Again,

And I do. it's not hard.


So what you're saying is, if a brain was emulated, it would raise itself?



Chemicals are numbers bro. Calculations. Angry + Angry = Happy?




We don't need to discuss that. By the way, that's apparently your idea of the soul.


I don't think so, unless you're referring to the internet.



IBM invented the PC...




Life is hard?
Godmode trool. I'll be back.
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We can simulate anything in this world, but not the human brain?
Just because something is beyond our scope of reproducibility right now, doesn't mean it won't be in the future. 10 years ago, people would have scoffed at the thought of simulating an entire cat brain.


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Yes, into a chemical outcome. The outcome would have to be logical however.
It comes down to limited understanding. Science doesn't claim to know everything. It's an ongoing process. Research is endless. Just because we don't know every step exactly doesn't mean it's not logical.


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Neuronal networks process sensory information and form thoughts and create actions and other thoughts based on those. You can peek into the neurophysiology all you want and not find any magical sub-processes.

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Again,
You're the one that made the claim that eidetic memory couldn't be reproduced in the first place. Why don't you supply some proof?

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And I do. it's not hard.
Which is completely beside the point.

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So what you're saying is, if a brain was emulated, it would raise itself?
Where was that implied? That's completely dependent on how it's emulated. Would it be programmed to start out as an infants brain, requiring sensory input to shape the neuroplastic processes into a functional adult brain?

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Chemicals are numbers bro. Calculations. Angry + Angry = Happy?
Exactly. How do you think procedural software works? Certain limitations are put in place and things act in a logical manner on their own accord. Protein folding simulations, for example. Amino acids have certain properties and we can create virtual representations of them to see how they act, given those properties.

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I don't think so, unless you're referring to the internet.
Brings me back to this-

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Man created computer.
Computer can NOT out power us.
I don't want to get into the whole religion thing, but I will say this- With that statement, you're, against better judgement, applying god-like properties to humans. We, unlike the Christian God, are not perfect, and therefore, there is not necessarily an upper bound on the power of our creations. (besides the obvious, we can't become or create anything as powerful as God)

Simple, although relevant (I think, at least), example- Just because we are incapable of lifting more than, at the very limits of our strength, 1250 pounds (Magnusson's world record deadlift), doesn't mean we can't create machines that can lift more. How isn't that parallel to computing power?
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I don't see why people seem to think that it's impossible to reproduce the human brain.

It may be remarkably complex, but it's still made out of the same sets of materials (at least on a very fundamental level) as everything else. Compiling those fundamental pieces into the necessary components is, of course, well beyond our scope at this point, but it should be possible.

A computer with emotions is no more far-fetched than the concept of a living being with emotions, when you really think about it. While it may be true that the former were designed by nature and the latter by a product of nature, humans have made it clear that they can take the materials around them and fashion powerful, microscale designs. It is only a matter of time before these designs draw closer to emulating the profound, uncommonly unique designs found within living beings.

To be honest, I'm not concerned about how we will design a computer with emotions. I'm concerned about how we will answer the questions that it asks. How we respond to its thoughts about purpose, and existence.

Like with Mewtwo in the first pokemon movie

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Square root of 64 is 8, and sqrt of 81 is 9, anything between 64 and 81 is 8.xxx
Song lyrics.
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You know word of mouth...
The square root of sixty-nine is eight-something, right?
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It's been shown time and time again that anything too complex or beyond the scope of current understanding becomes mystified or spiritual to humans. Just look at any history book.

The easiest way to "explain" these things is with some catch-all "theory" so we don't feel afraid or dumb.
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It's been shown time and time again that anything too complex or beyond the scope of current understanding becomes mystified or spiritual to humans. Just look at any history book.

The easiest way to "explain" these things is with some catch-all "theory" so we don't feel afraid or dumb.
People used to think the moon wanes and waxes because a giant pig gnaws at it and then it regrows. We all need a little more "I don't know" in our daily lives.
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