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leha696: If it primed for 4 hours that's awesome, that means it has some degree of stability. Leave your settings alone. See if you can play 3d games, web browse with a lot of tabs + youtube, and run any serious programs you normally use (photoshop, video encoding, etc). If it doesnt freeze or BSOD doing those things you are probably fine though not entirely stable.
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This is great. I know we are going to get closer to finding a solution especially with someone else on board (no pun intended). I am also convinced that the CPU is fine but has more to do with the voltage settings somehow. Neurotix, I tried all you suggested but still get the same result :-\ Updated BIOS tried changing RAM speed at 1066, 1333 and 1600. All the same result.

There's no reasonable basis for the "CPU is fine" if it hasn't been tested in another board or system unlocked. It may just be the cores are too faulty to use, in which case it will never be stable unlocked, which sounds like the case. Yes, it will be stable as a X2 and in that regard it's fine. The fact is, you aren't guaranteed a working, stable quad core when you buy a 555BE or 720BE. It all comes down to luck and some knowledge. Caveat emptor, I guess.

To me, it sounds like you simply have a chip that won't unlock.

I guess you could RMA it for another 555BE, or you could sell it and get a 965BE or 1090T. There's no saying it isn't also your motherboard, checking on newegg there's some issues in reviews.

If you want to keep trying with that chip, I think it's a lost cause but, you should try manually setting your RAM timing. Not frequency/speed but timing. Also set it's voltage ("DRAM voltage").

See this: http://www.overclock.net/t/26706/info-ram-timings-for-dummies

Since your just put "Corsair 8Gb - 1600 - Unganged" I can't look up the timings for you, so, go to where you bought it from and look for timing and a series of numbers, for example mine is
9-9-9-24
CAS-tRCD-tRP-tRAS

Go in your BIOS and go down to "memory configuration", find the channel you have memory in, set the timings manually, set the speed to 1600, and set the voltage to the voltage as listed on the website.

Sometimes motherboards incorrectly set default settings for RAM timing and voltage, this affects stability greatly. In general, anything having to do with memory or memory controllers (northbridge or IMC on our Phenom II's) has more potential to affect stability than anything else. I've run my CPU at 4ghz and primed for 12 hours straight with 200mhz frontside bus and stock RAM speed, yet running the CPU at stock (3.2ghz ) with a 215+ FSB and a slight RAM overclock (1333mhz -> 1420mhz) it can't prime for 20 minutes. Your RAM settings need to be exact to the manufacturers and setting it manually might help things.

Anyway, set all your RAM timings and voltage, RAM speed to 1600mhz, everything else to default (and please stop setting your CPU to 1.55v when you aren't overclocking at all, it creates more heat and less stability). Good luck.
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Hey I just want to thank you again for taking so much time with this.

My timings are the same as yours 9-9-9-24. I will force this in the BIOS when I get home. I guess this is the last shot. If I can also figure out how to take my cpu voltage down by -2%decrements, I will try that too. I guess I made a bad assumption in thinking that just because I could get into Windows and do most everything with all 4 cores unlocked, that it was a different issue. I thought that if your cores couldn't unlock, you couldn't even get that far. Thats why I have been ts'ing this for so long. If its impossible then I can let it go, but if there's a chance I can get it working....well.....smile.gif
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If I can also figure out how to take my cpu voltage down by -2%decrements, I will try that too.

It's not CPU voltage, it's ACC (Advanced Clock Calibration)

As I said, you may be able to do this through older versions of AMD Overdrive. You'd need to find version 3.2 or so and install it after uninstalling your current AOD and rebooting. It used to have an ACC option, they removed it (don't know why)

If you can take a picture of your BIOS cpu setup screen I'll take a look at it (the screen where you can enable core unlocking).

One other thing came to mind, and that's since you have a newer motherboard with updated BIOS, if there's an option called "Microcode Updation" or "Upatch Level Updation" you might try enabling it. This is used for BIOS that have had support for processors added over time (since the first BIOS revision). It may help compatibility with your older cpu on a newer board..
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It's from AMD I believe. 1.55 on air cooling under max load will go quite above the 58c temperature threshold (58c is supposedly the max for day to day operation. past this temperature, the system is way more likely to fail, and going high enough above it for a prolonged period of time can destroy the chip). Of course, you CAN go higher than 1.55 but there's no saying it will be stable. I mean, the people who got Phenom II's to 8ghz with li-ni and liquid helium probably went well past 1.55v; of course this is subjective and relevant to your particular chip, motherboard, cooling setup, etc. Looking at something like this, AMD lists a 720BE's voltage range from 0.850-1.425V. Then again, it is a kind of "word of mouth" thing based probably on experience of longtime overclockers and people who go to overclocking competitions using extreme methods, and probably electrical engineers. If you choose to ignore them and set your air cooled Phenom II to 2.0v and 7ghz and your rig and mobo catch on fire 5 seconds after POST, well, you'd wish you listened to the "popular" opinion. ;D
Yes, I do it with AMD Overdrive. However, you have an Athlon, and I don't believe it will work with it...though there may be a hacked version that will, or a registry hack, or another utility. Additionally it's only supposed to work with Black Edition chips. To be honest I don't know if there's any way to do it with Athlons, you may have to ask in another thread. I built this machine originally for around $500 in the beginning of 2010, and in doing so did a ton of research and made sure I 1) got a chip and mobo that would unlock and 2) got a black edition processor that would run AOD (Overdrive). All I know is it works with my system, as far as running it on Athlon you can try but I doubt it will work and I have no resources as to any workaround.
Basically what I do is set my important options I know I need in the BIOS, then have Windows apply my overclock profile as soon as I log in. Currently I'm pretty sure my BIOS is set 3.4ghz, vcore auto, VDDA 2.8, loadline 0%, Northbridge 14x (2800), CPU-NB Volts 1.4v. Then in AOD I have it set like
423
All I change is my vcore and multipliers. My system is not stable with my 4th core clocked to 4ghz, but it's survived prime95 for 12 hrs with core 4 at 3.7ghz and all the rest at 4ghz. Currently I'm working on 4.1ghz and possibly going to try 4.2ghz though my load heat goes up 5c just from that small jump so its unlikely..
Good luck

Thanks for very helpfull answers. What you think about the 960t?
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leha696: If it primed for 4 hours that's awesome, that means it has some degree of stability. Leave your settings alone. See if you can play 3d games, web browse with a lot of tabs + youtube, and run any serious programs you normally use (photoshop, video encoding, etc). If it doesnt freeze or BSOD doing those things you are probably fine though not entirely stable.
There's no reasonable basis for the "CPU is fine" if it hasn't been tested in another board or system unlocked. It may just be the cores are too faulty to use, in which case it will never be stable unlocked, which sounds like the case. Yes, it will be stable as a X2 and in that regard it's fine. The fact is, you aren't guaranteed a working, stable quad core when you buy a 555BE or 720BE. It all comes down to luck and some knowledge. Caveat emptor, I guess.
To me, it sounds like you simply have a chip that won't unlock.
I guess you could RMA it for another 555BE, or you could sell it and get a 965BE or 1090T. There's no saying it isn't also your motherboard, checking on newegg there's some issues in reviews.
If you want to keep trying with that chip, I think it's a lost cause but, you should try manually setting your RAM timing. Not frequency/speed but timing. Also set it's voltage ("DRAM voltage").
See this: http://www.overclock.net/t/26706/info-ram-timings-for-dummies
Since your just put "Corsair 8Gb - 1600 - Unganged" I can't look up the timings for you, so, go to where you bought it from and look for timing and a series of numbers, for example mine is
9-9-9-24
CAS-tRCD-tRP-tRAS
Go in your BIOS and go down to "memory configuration", find the channel you have memory in, set the timings manually, set the speed to 1600, and set the voltage to the voltage as listed on the website.
Sometimes motherboards incorrectly set default settings for RAM timing and voltage, this affects stability greatly. In general, anything having to do with memory or memory controllers (northbridge or IMC on our Phenom II's) has more potential to affect stability than anything else. I've run my CPU at 4ghz and primed for 12 hours straight with 200mhz frontside bus and stock RAM speed, yet running the CPU at stock (3.2ghz ) with a 215+ FSB and a slight RAM overclock (1333mhz -> 1420mhz) it can't prime for 20 minutes. Your RAM settings need to be exact to the manufacturers and setting it manually might help things.
Anyway, set all your RAM timings and voltage, RAM speed to 1600mhz, everything else to default (and please stop setting your CPU to 1.55v when you aren't overclocking at all, it creates more heat and less stability). Good luck.

When oc cpu, will ram oc be an increasing issue as the cpu goes cloeser to max oc? My english is bad, sorry,hehe.

And what about 4 cores at 3.63GHz vs 3 cores 4.1-4.2GHz. Whit 0 l3 cache.....
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When oc cpu, will ram oc be an increasing issue as the cpu goes cloeser to max oc? My english is bad, sorry,hehe.
And what about 4 cores at 3.63GHz vs 3 cores 4.1-4.2GHz. Whit 0 l3 cache.....

If you can run 3 cores stable at 4.1, go with that (unless all you do is edit video).
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It's not CPU voltage, it's ACC (Advanced Clock Calibration)
As I said, you may be able to do this through older versions of AMD Overdrive. You'd need to find version 3.2 or so and install it after uninstalling your current AOD and rebooting. It used to have an ACC option, they removed it (don't know why)
If you can take a picture of your BIOS cpu setup screen I'll take a look at it (the screen where you can enable core unlocking).
One other thing came to mind, and that's since you have a newer motherboard with updated BIOS, if there's an option called "Microcode Updation" or "Upatch Level Updation" you might try enabling it. This is used for BIOS that have had support for processors added over time (since the first BIOS revision). It may help compatibility with your older cpu on a newer board..


I got a GOOD update. I started playing around with the RAM timings and voltage. Wound up having to clear CMOS cuz I screwed it up :-p

HOWEVER, after forcing the RAM timings to 9-9-9-24, I was able to use my 0,1 and 3 cores with Prime95 (only for a couple minutes, then I quit it) and also was able to re-run my WEI assessment where my processor specs went from 6.6 to 6.9 and no crashing! I am real happy about this progress. At this point, I am real glad and I wouldnt have gotten this far without your help, thanks!

All 4 together seems to act up so I can either chalk it up to not being a good core OR......keep trying to play with more settings to get it working smile.gif I am thinking that maybe I need to tweak something else to get all 4 working. I will post some BIOS shots for you.



BTW, it appears that regardless of which core I leave out and/or enable, only 3 can work at a time which further indicates to me that my cores are all ok.....but something isnt handling all 4 at the same time

Here is the Unlock screen, theres not much on it700




But here is where I think the magic can happen. The RAM configurations...


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Hmm, it seems like maybe resetting your CMOS helped in some regard, perhaps some incorrect setting you forgot about...after a BIOS flash you should always reset your CMOS settings.

Assuming THIS is your EXACT memory (model numbers help here), then your memory timings as manually set look good.

As far as the 3rd screenshot I can't really help you with any of that. That's more advanced than I know (and really only a computer engineering major or really hardcore overclocker would understand). Messing with any of that is probably a bad idea.

On the first screen, I see you have "cpu unlock enabled" and "cpu core control manual", are there any other settings? Auto, etc

Try installing that older version of AMD Overdrive (here: http://downloads.guru3d.com/AMD-OverDrive-3.2.3-download-2425.html ) uninstall the older one and reboot first) See if it has an ACC options.

Also, if you unlock all 4 cores, try upping your vcore to 1.45 or so. I believe you said it's 1.425 by default, try raising it to that. You might also try raising your RAM volts from 1.5v to 1.55 or as high as 1.6, but no more than that, to try and increase stability as quad.

Again, just because it's not stable in prime95 doesn't mean it won't be stable for web browsing, gaming, etc...if it's usable as a quad otherwise don't worry too much about it failing prime, as long as it does what you need it to do without shutting off.
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Thanks again so much. This is the actual RAM I have. Pretty much identical to what you found. I will try all you said tonight, including the ACC with the old AMD Overdrive and let you know what happens. BTW, unfortunately, after running Prime for about 2 minutes with the 3 cores, it crashed. As you said, it is possible it will never run correctly with Prime so I am going to use the WEI to base my performance and if it doesnt crash, I will move on to the next thing. Hey before I report back, can I buy you a beer or something?
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As you said, it is possible it will never run correctly with Prime so I am going to use the WEI to base my performance and if it doesnt crash, I will move on to the next thing. Hey before I report back, can I buy you a beer or something?

Yeah try it out and let me know what happens. It may not run prime95, but do whatever other intensive tasks you do and see if it hangs. You might also try lowering your multi and underclocking the cpu to get the cpu stable as quad.

That ram looks like it's probably more friendly with intel boards. If worst comes to worst you could try with a different brand of RAM (g.skill has gone into my two builds). Another possibility might be the PSU being too small... but all these things cost money...

I'll pass on the beer but if you wanna rep me, or buy me THIS, feel free XDDDD
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