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I've sold my current configuration to a friend which does office applications. It was still working fine, but since I had a buyer for this 4-year old configuration, I jumped on the opportunity to sell it.

My old rig was :

CPU : Core 2 Duo E8400 overclocked @ 3.6 GHz

RAM : G.Skill PI Black Edition PC2-6400 8 GB kit

Motherboard : Asus Maximus Formula First Generation

Case : CoolerMaster CM 690 First Generation


I sold everything for 350 $ two weeks ago.


Here are the other components that I'm keeping :

Power Supply : Corsair HX 520 (have to open it for a big big dust cleaning though !!!!! )

HDDs1 : 1xRAID 1 Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB

HDDs2 : 1xRAID 0 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (On which I run my virtual machines).

GPU : PowerColor Radeon HD4850 (I don't play a lot, it's mainly for BOINC research programs...)

CPU Cooler : Zalman CNPS9700

GPU Cooler : Zalman VF1000

SSD : Samsung Business 256 GB PB22-JS3 FDE

Sound Card : Asus Xonar Essence STX PCI-Express x1 (plugged to a nice Onkyo TX-8255 and Polk Audio Monitor speakers).

As you can guess, I'm an enthusiast user. I'm currently studying in electronics and networking, so my PC is a learning tool as well as a workstation. I mainly work on it, so I run electronics virtualization and simulation software, VMWare virtual machines (often multiple at the same time), programming, occasionnal gaming, a lot of music (editing too). I also run an Apache web server. Really, this is a true workstation PC.


I've done a lot of research to build my new rig, and I'd like to have your opinion on the choices I've made.


Mainboard : P8P67 WS Revolution. I want to have the best of the best and the most stable (stability is a real big concern for me) mainboard available at a decent price. I'm not interested toward ROG mainboard. I really want a stable(I repeat), reliable and high performance mainboard.

CPU : 2600K or 2700K... I still don't know which one to get... is the 2700K issued from a better silicon die or wafer ? Doesn't it really worth the extra 60 $ on it ?

RAM : Mushkin Radioactive Series, http://www.mushkin.com/Memory/Radioactive/997005.aspx Really like Mushkin RAm, I want 1.5v or under at 1600 MHz. I'd go with Kingston but none of their Genesis line runs below 1.65v...

Case : Fractal Design XL, but if you have any other suggestion, let me know !


My other question is : Should I sell my Samsung SSD too ? Will I see the performance improvment with a SATAIII SSD such as an Intel 510 or Crucial M4 ? The Samsung 830 looks nice too, but still unavailable in Canada and offering very supbar TRIM performance according to Anadtech... And the upcoming Intel 520 will be under a SandForce 2181 controller, so I'm not really interested anymore ...

Thank you very much for your advices and opinions ! Sorry for the long post

N.B. : I'm from Montreal, Canada. Ordering from Newegg or NCIX
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post #2 of 16
Yeah you'll see improvements by selling your SSD and picking up an m4. Worth the hassle and extra price? Ehhh maybe.

That motherboard is top notch. If you're going for best of the best and stability is important than yes I'd say the extra $60 for the 2700k is worth it. 2700ks = golden 2600ks imo. So will allow a lot better OC'ing.

I don't have much to add about the RAM... I don't use mushkin or recommend it but each to their own. (G.Skill or Corsair) Heh.

Lastly, if you don't plan on upgrading your GPU for a while then your psu will be fine. However upgrading it to most "modern" cards will be cutting it close. Just so ya know.
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Thanks for your quick reply. Since the buyer of my old computer came yesterday to get it, I'll probably order tomorrow to get the hardware ready for next week.

I'll double my efforts to try to sell my SSD.

Good to know for the mainboard. Some doesn't recommend it or recommend instead a Z68 board, but I really don't see the advantages of this chipset. And since no CPU is PCI-E 3.0 ready and that I doubt that I'll eventually upgrade to Ivy Bridge (only for 4-6 % in performance increase .... ), PCI-E 3.0 isn't a big concern for me. Stability is a much bigger concern than this.

As for the RAM, why don't you recommend Mushkin ? It will be my first experience with this brand but since it's totally american I'm not scared. I've always read they have good quality products, especially for the Blackline (Radioactive is from blackline) and Redline.

You're the first one to tell me the 2700K worths its additional cost... I've made a lot of research on it and it appears it has the exact same stepping and revision. It would even not come from a better piece of silicon ... That's why I'm still hesitating...

Then I was also hesitating about getting Sandy Bridge-E, but getting a locked 4 cores and paying premium price for the mainboards for absolutely no difference doesn't interest me anymore, nor paying 600$ for an unlocked 6-cores...
Edited by Ghost26 - 10/29/11 at 1:26pm
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Hmm it sounds like to me you won't be needing Ivy Bridge or pci-e 3 so I think you'll do fine on P67. This is coming from me, I'm always all about Z68 lol.

I haven't heard bad things about them, but I haven't heard any awesome things about them. I've been here for almost a year now and I think every major build has some g.skill rip jaws or some corsair dominators. Like I said, everyone has their personal preferences. I prefer Corsair over all as they have amazing RMA/Customer Service and are just top notch in general imo. (I bought my RAM before I signed up here)

Well before I saw the 2700k benches I was a little skeptical about it all. I mean sure it may be 50% just a marketing gimmick into tricking people into spending more money "upgrading" from t he 2600k but the benches have seemed pretty impressive to me. Sure, some chips are more "golden" then others. However, like you mentioned, stability is the most important which is why I chose the 2700k. You should be able to higher clocks with less tweaking/voltage addition which helps with stability.

As for SB-E.... I'll be upgrading to dem 6 cores. Or maybe even an 8 core xeon.
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I was told P67 with a bios update will do IB just fine. You can by new motherboards at a decent price that even support PCI-E 3.0 if you so choose to use it later.
    
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I saw you're a Folding fanatic. Is your interest the reason to get so many cores at a so expensive price or is it something else ?

Because from what I've read, Sandy-E isn't anything else than the current SAndy Bridge without IGP and more L3 cache ... We doesn't expect a lote more in term of performance.

I always said Corsair has a nice RMA and after sale service because they needed it a lot in the past

I recalculate the whole things. 45 $ more on the final bill for 2700K instead of 2600K. Well ... maybe I'll be tempted finally ...

I'm an enthusiast. Planning to run Windows Server 2008R2 DataCenter Edition on this build to run a web server, virtual machines (VmWare ESXi will be installed too), and heavy workload.

That's why I want to buy the WS Revolution : Intel server class ethernet controller. Since I'm planning to run VMWare ESXi, which requires Intel NIC to run adequatly, this saves me another 50-60$ to get a PCI-Express x1 Intel Ehternet adapter.

As you can see, it's a complicated build ! ah ah ah !
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Ha. Yeah have fun with that... I use to build my comps for gaming, then I built them around whatever high end components happened to be caught on sale. IE I got my Mars II for almost $500 off. Now I just build them to fold. So yes, if I bought an 8 core ridiculous priced Xeon it'd be strictly for folding.

$45 more... hmm

Have fun dude! Sounds interesting, not for me though. Heh. I don't like servers and networking.
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Ok. I fold a lot too, but don't build my machines strictly for this.

Thanks for your advice.

As for the case ... any other idea thn the Fractal Design XL ? Doesn't have to be E-ATX, but would like something with the same style...
Edited by Ghost26 - 10/29/11 at 2:15pm
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Don't know much about cases except that some are made for air cooling and some for water. Fractal is a good brand who has a history of making quality cases so definitely nothing wrong with the one you choose. Probably get better recommendations from other air cooling members.
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Thanks

Finally, I just want the best bang for the buck with premium stability, performance and high quality hardware that will never limit me in the future.

Is that hardware answers to this statement ?

I forgot to mention : I'll be buying two kits of Mushkin, totalling 16 GB of RAM.
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