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I still have the monitor running RIGHT NOW.

If you want proof, you can literally download the 1.6 MB process tracker from MS yourself and check it

Tbh, the fact that the guys picture shows "origin.exe" looking at his PROGRAM DATA and seeing his tax PROGRAM in his PROGRAM data file, when the origin installer is called "originsetup.exe" is enough proof to kill the "origin searches ur stuff before u even installs!!!!" story people in this thread keep selling.

I honestly cba to go out of my way for people who are obviously just on the wagon.
Do me favor. I'll quote the EULA
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You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION.
Unless you have run it for like a month, and with proof that Origin does not do ****, then i bow to you. You see, Steam HAVE OPT, Origin on the other hand, more like take it or leave it.
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ok probably half the programs on your computers collect NON PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE information on your hardware and what software you use. the issue comes with the old origin eula which stated that they may collect personal information and do whatever they wanted with it.(look up the old reddit post).

current eula- section 2 pretty standard besides the first paragraph.
http://eula.dm.origin.com/en_US.html

Please also see:
http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBPRIVACY/US/en/PC/

ps I will not do future business with EA for being this shady. oh an when bf3 works it is awesome
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Originally Posted by lunan1t4 View Post
Do me favor. I'll quote the EULA


Unless you have run it for like a month, and with proof that Origin does not do ****, then i bow to you. You see, Steam HAVE OPT, Origin on the other hand, more like take it or leave it.
That disproves NOTHING of what I said to be honest. I know Origin checks your program data....check a few posts up from the post you just quoted.

My point was to show that:

a)
Origin DOES NOT sweep your computer before you install/agree to the EULA like people have been saying in this thread.

That's just fearmongering and LIES.

b)
The person I was quoting said that an installed Origin looks at "almost everything" including my picture/video/documents, when all it looks at is your program data folder, to check the program data use that you yourself show that they TELL YOU they will check in the EULA that you have to AGREE TO before they will do it.

Program data folder != "almost everything".

Monitoring "software use" != Scanning your "my pictures" file.


Again, fearmongering and LIES.


No point trying to point out the truth to this mob though.



Its ironic isn't it?

People raging and roaring about HONESTY and TRUST and this and that and blah blah blah, but when someone tries to shed some actual truth (that people may still disagree with, but at least its the TRUTH) people fight you down for it and continue to spread FEARMONGERING and LIES to fuel their own snide agendas that are 100x less righteous than you think they are and people just lap it all up and fight down the actual truth of the matter


Carry on ranting tbh.


The only thing worse than a person who spreads lies is the gang of blind people behind them supporting their lies due to their hunger for uproar and pitchforking, while at the same time calling anyone who disagrees with the lies the blind ones.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 10/29/11 at 9:23pm
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Keep your gaming rig just for that, gaming. Go buy a cheapo lappy for personal stuff. LOL

Anyways, yea "legal" spyware is pure crap
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I just did this and I can now truly give the to this.

I used the monitor to check what files were looked at during Steam install.

I used the monitor to check what files Origin was looking at during install.

Conclusions:

1 .
The screenshot/story of the guy showing Origin looking at his tax program folder before setup is bullhockey, since his screenshot shows the .exe of an already fully installed Origin.

His screenshot therefore shows nothing but Origin doing a program file survey. Something he already agreed to when clicking the "I agree" box during EULA agreement screen on Origin installation.

Origin does program surveys in program files related folders. He tax program was installed in program file related folders and so it was included in the survey......duh?? Why is this surprising?

If I have a folder called "this is where all my personal info is" in my program folders and I know Origin does program folder searches, why am I then going to freak out?

If this person agreed to a Steam survey, it would check his program files too....since Steam DOES include software in its surveys.

2.
The Origin installer DID NOT scan my program files.

3.
After installation and running, it looked in my program data file briefly then its just origin file and nothing else.



Basically.

-Origin doesn't software sweep before it installs

-It doesn't look in your user files while running.

-It does look at program data, like it says it would in the EULA while running, but only during initialisation. After that its just Origin folder access.



Long story short...meh?

Reality doesn't fit the outrage or fearmongering full of misinformation tbh.


Disagreeing with what is actually happening is fine, but running around like a headless chicken spouting off random rubbish is just.....
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Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy View Post
I still have the monitor running RIGHT NOW.

If you want proof, you can literally download the 1.6 MB process tracker from MS yourself and check it

Tbh, the fact that the guys picture shows "origin.exe" looking at his PROGRAM DATA and seeing his tax PROGRAM in his PROGRAM data file, when the origin installer is called "originsetup.exe" is enough proof to kill the "origin searches ur stuff before u even installs/agree to teh EULA!!!!" story people in this thread keep selling.

I honestly cba to go out of my way for people who are obviously just on the wagon.
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That disproves NOTHING of what I said to be honest. I know Origin checks your program data....check a few posts up from the post you just quoted.

My point was to show that:

a)
Origin DOES NOT sweep your computer before you install/agree to the EULA like people have been saying in this thread.

That's just fearmongering and LIES.

b)
The person I was quoting said that an installed Origin looks at "almost everything" including my picture/video/documents, when all it looks at is your program data folder, to check the program data use that you yourself show that they TELL YOU they will check in the EULA that you have to AGREE TO before they will do it.

Program data folder != "almost everything".

Monitoring "software use" != Scanning your "my pictures" file.


Again, fearmongering and LIES.


No point trying to point out the truth to this mob though.



Its ironic isn't it?

People raging and roaring about HONESTY and TRUST and this and that and blah blah blah, but when someone tries to shed some actual truth (that people may still disagree with, but at least its the TRUTH) people fight you down for it and continue to spread FEARMONGERING and LIES to fuel their own snide agendas that are 100x less righteous than you think they are and people just lap it all up and fight down the actual truth of the matter


Carry on ranting tbh.


The only thing worse than a person who spreads lies is the gang of blind people behind them supporting their lies due to their hunger for uproar and pitchforking (or just sharing the same agenda as the original liar), while at the same time calling anyone who disagrees with the lies the blind ones.
Ill just leave these here.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 10/29/11 at 9:28pm
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It should be this simple - when I buy a game, I do not want any 2nd or 3rd party software to be able to run my game. Crazy that I have to jump through hoops to even gain access to a menu.

Come on guys, we should be able to install and play the game. Why are some defending these drakonion measures?

Excusing Origin/Battlelog or BF3 and EA/Dice and their actions is just hurting gamers.

The game has no LAN, self hosting capabilities, VOIP chat, you need two 3rd party softwares to run it and to be able to access a menu and there have been many worldwide that could not even access the game after purchasing it (Origin being down) and not to mention the privacy issues that have surfaces etc...

Instead of treating this as a travesty, some people have been conditioned into docility.

I want to install and play my games without having to jump through any hoops including unwarranted internet check/connection to access single player games. I also insist on having all the features I come to expect from PC gaming.

Additionally, do not nickle and dime me with DLC, sell me a complete game.

No more excuses.

PS, do not turn every franchise into an MMO with all the innovative methods that genre has deviously manufactured to extract more money.

I had more to say on this here;

http://www.overclock.net/pc-games/11...pc-gaming.html
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I really want BF3...but EA forcing origin down our throats to play is a dealbreaker. I've read all the complaints and issues...most of them directed at origin...and not even towards the game itself. A line must be drawn for some people...and this is it for me...especially if the spyware rumors are true.
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Grizzleboy

GanjaSMK.

Videos and Pictures would be nice.
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I really want BF3...but EA forcing origin down our throats to play is a dealbreaker. I've read all the complaints and issues...most of them directed at origin...and not even towards the game itself. A line must be drawn for some people...and this is it for me...especially if the spyware rumors are true.
The rumors that Origin does a sweep of your HD before you even install it/agree to the EULA?

Lies.

The rumors that Origin searches everything on your HD?

Lies.

Does Origin look in your "program data" folder to check software use as it states in the EULA?

Yes.

Does Origin go searching every nook and cranny of your HD for anything named "tax", "cc details" or "nudes"?

No.


I guess it just hinges on whether you care about EA knowing about what software/hardware you have on/in your PC.

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Grizzleboy

GanjaSMK.

Videos and Pictures would be nice.
The way the process monitor works would make proving my points pretty hard without tonnes of pics and I doubt video quality would show you what you want to see out of the thousands and thousands of lines of text the monitor creates over time.

Just DL it yourself, its a 1.6mb program.

Use the filter to check for only "Origin.exe" process and you'll see for yourself.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 10/29/11 at 9:50pm
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The rumors that Origin does a sweep of your HD before you even install it/agree to the EULA?

Lies.

The rumors that Origin searches everything on your HD?

Lies.

Does Origin look in your "program data" folder to check software use as it states in the EULA?

Yes.

Does Origin go searching every nook and cranny of your HD for anything named "tax", "cc details" or "nudes"?

No.


I guess it just hinges on whether you care about EA knowing about what software/hardware you have on/in your PC.
Pictures and Video please.

I don't want to have to install Origin myself to be convinced.
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