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Didn't Blizzard get busted for doing this sometime back?
If I remember right, they made them stop.
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I'v seen some replies here that worries me, people don't seem to understand what is ethically right and whats wrong, nor do they seem to know what rights they have, thats quite disturbing.
It doesn't matter if you have something to hide or not, its ethically wrong to invade your privacy like this, its also against the law in most countries, even if EA says it is in the Eula, its still wrong in many ways, and its not valid unless the End User fully understands whats is actually being said in the Eula.

Let me give you a example:

Your playing with a ball and that ball falls in your neighbor house/yard, its both illegal and ethically wrong to go fetch that ball without the neighbor knowing/consent, plus lets say you go in whiteout asking and you look at the kitchen window, and your neighbor is having sex, or simply cooking.

The analogy I just made its in essence the same EA is doing here, it doesn't matter if you have or have not something to hide, its still wrong, in todays world privacy is very important as we barely have any, and we all should know that, and thats why the Germans are so pissed about it and they are right.

Further more, as I said before Microsoft got into an Anti-Trust law suit, for bundling IE with Windows, what EA is doing here is actually worse, since they are clearly forcing you to install a program and not giving you the option of not using it.
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I'v seen some replies here that worries me, people don't seem to understand what is ethically right and whats wrong, nor do they seem to know what rights they have, thats quite disturbing.
Good for the German people, hats off. More people need to stand up and say no. Now i wonder whats monitoring my machine...

How it used to be;

power---> <---- people

How it is now;

the people---> <---power
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Originally Posted by Deacon View Post
I'v seen some replies here that worries me, people don't seem to understand what is ethically right and whats wrong, nor do they seem to know what rights they have, thats quite disturbing.
It doesn't matter if you have something to hide or not, its ethically wrong to invade your privacy like this, its also against the law in most countries, even if EA says it is in the Eula, its still wrong in many ways, and its not valid unless the End User fully understands whats is actually being said in the Eula.
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Your playing with a ball and that ball falls in your neighbor house/yard, its both illegal and ethically wrong to go fetch that ball without the neighbor knowing/consent, plus lets say you go in whiteout asking and you look at the kitchen window, and your neighbor is having sex, or simply cooking.

The analogy I just made its in essence the same EA is doing here, it doesn't matter if you have or have not something to hide, its still wrong, in todays world privacy is very important as we barely have any, and we all should know that, and thats why the Germans are so pissed about it and they are right.

Further more, as I said before Microsoft got into an Anti-Trust law suit, for bundling IE with Windows, what EA is doing here is actually worse, since they are clearly forcing you to install a program and not giving you the option of not using it.
By ticking the box or Accepting the terms you of the EULA when installing software you are stating that you have read and understand the terms. Most people dont bother to read them, now who's fault is that? Certainly not the publisher/developers, the fault lies with the consumer.

They aren't forcing you, you either use Origin or you dont. Its the consumers choice. You dont have to use it.
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By ticking the box or Accepting the terms you of the EULA when installing software you are stating that you have read and understand the terms. Most people dont bother to read them, now who's fault is that? Certainly not the publisher/developers, the fault lies with the consumer.

They aren't forcing you, you either use Origin or you dont. Its the consumers choice. You dont have to use it.
You don't understand the point. They can not legally (depending on the country) put what ever they want in the ToS and be legally binding. By your logic, their ToS could say to kill someone and they would not be at fault.

The government put in rules to protect the people, and this may be breaching one of them.
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This has nothing to do with BF3, and everything to do with Origin. Though both are currently synonymous. Stupid EA. Should have released the damn game on Steam.
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This has nothing to do with BF3, and everything to do with Origin. Though both are currently synonymous. Stupid EA. Should have released the damn game on Steam.
The issue still lies with consumers needing Origin to play BF3; therefore, they see them as being grouped together.
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Do you sign the EULA for Origin when you buy a physical copy of BF3 from BestBuy and other stores?
No. So why the hell should the purchaser be forced to use Origin.

Do you sign the EULA for Origin when buying BF3 from the online EA store before Origin became the store front?
I certainly did not.

I guarantee that if you stand in front of the BF3 stand in Bestbuy telling people who wants to purchase the game, that they will have to install Origin and that it will scan you hard drives whether you like it or not, I guarantee no one will grab a single copy of the game, unless they are deaf or or can't speak the language.
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Originally Posted by SpuddGunn View Post
By ticking the box or Accepting the terms you of the EULA when installing software you are stating that you have read and understand the terms. Most people dont bother to read them, now who's fault is that? Certainly not the publisher/developers, the fault lies with the consumer.

They aren't forcing you, you either use Origin or you dont. Its the consumers choice. You dont have to use it.
As stated you can't put anything you want in your Eula and getaway with it, also aren't we forgetting something important here, some ppl are arguing that if you don't like it don't buy it, BUT do remind me at what point is the EULA presented?
Ow yeah thats right way after you buy it and when you are installing it.
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