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What if one of your Facebook friend's accounts get hacked and the hacker can access a ton of information about you? What if a friend's email gets hacked? What if your phone is stolen?

There are far too many different scenarios that essentially lead to the same result as the event you mentioned. I must repeat myself again: ignorance is bliss.

Also, to answer your question, I really wouldn't care because there is nothing I am trying to hide from anyone. Some documents, programs, whatever. Not like I'm part of a top secret organization.
That's ironic as you are clearly the ignorant one. I think you should remove the lock on your front door if you don't think privacy is important.

Oh and BTW, the hardware usage data from DiRT 3 comes from those who opted in on Steam.
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The screenshot regarding the tax program is incorrectly interpreted. Process Monitor clearly shows it never requests read access to the file. Check the "Desired Access" in the detail column for the CreateFile operations. It only requests the file's attributes (i.e read only, etc.), ACL and DACL for the file (who can read/write to it and who owns the file). At no point does it attempt to read what the file contains as it never requests Generic Read or Read Data access which would be needed to read the data from the file.
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o.O crazy, I like it.
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Originally Posted by xFALL3Nx View Post
Good for the German people, hats off. More people need to stand up and say no. Now i wonder whats monitoring my machine...

How it used to be;

power---> <---- people

How it is now;

the people---> <---power
I think you need a history lesson...
 
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The screenshot regarding the tax program is incorrectly interpreted. Process Monitor clearly shows it never requests read access to the file. Check the "Desired Access" in the detail column for the CreateFile operations. It only requests the file's attributes (i.e read only, etc.), ACL and DACL for the file (who can read/write to it and who owns the file). At no point does it attempt to read what the file contains as it never requests Generic Read or Read Data access which would be needed to read the data from the file.
And why on earth would Origin need to do that ? That's it, there is no valid reason. There is no valid reason for Origin to know who owns the files or folders or who can read or write to them. And there is also no valid reason why Origin scans your folders BEFORE you accept the EULA - at the most it could ask the system if there is enough free space for the install and query if your system specs allow the program to be installed - I don't think CPU-Z goes around checking who owns files in your PC to tell you that.
Edited by tpi2007 - 10/31/11 at 1:05pm
 
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post #376 of 411
Time for a few facts it seems.
Steam *does* scan your machine, hardware and software, but only *IF* you choose to participate in the survey. You can decline and still have a fully functional install, play online etc.

Origin scans your machine, without asking, including personal files. We don't quite know what exact data it sends back, but it's certainly unpleasant to see which areas of your hard-drive it explores. You cannot opt out of this.

EULA are NOT legally binding in many nations, especially where the terms so enclosed contravene any laws in place. The EU has a privacy right enshrined in law, and no contract (which is what a EULA is) can require you to break the law.

What Origin is doing may well be legal in the US, (I'd be shocked if EA let it out the door if it wasn't) but it may well be highly illegal in other nations. I will wait and see.
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UPDATE:

Many more news sources picked up the topic in Germany.
Here are some of the headlines and where to find them:
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Zeit Online: "Gamers feel monitored by Electronic Arts"
"The Platform Origin spies out users of EA games. The company changed their ToS, but not their policy. Privacy groups investigate."

German Source
// Google-Translated Source
("Die Zeit" is a wellknown German liberal weekly newspaper)

Focus.de: "Data kraken Origin: Gamers are in arms about Battlefield 3"

The online gaming and distribution platform Origin of the action video game "Battlefield 3" makes gamers to on the barricades."

German Source
// Google-Translated Source
("Focus" is a weekly news magazine similar to "Der Spiegel" who also presented an article online)

n-tv: "EA infuriates gamers: Battlefield 3 in espionage mode"
"The highly anticipated video game "Battlefield 3" comes under tremendous attack.. PC gamers are forced to install software that doesn't only scan the computer for pirated games, but also spies out personal information. Additionally, publisher Electronic Arts shoots themselves in the foot with the termins of use."

German Source // Google-Translated Source
(n-tv is a German tv channel with focus on news and information)
A TV appearance is also believed to air soon

The petition to stop selling Battlefield 3
..in Germany (as long as the ToS of Origin won't change and interfere with the law) reached over 7000 supporters!

German Source

Amazon ratings went down even more
By now, over 2500 people gave Battlefield 3 a rating on Amazon. 95% gave it a bad score! The average is now as low as possible, 1 star!
Amazon continues to accept returns of used and opened copies, even with taken keys, as well.


German Reviews // Google-Translated Source

Privacy groups had an eye on EA for some time already
The protest website theorigin.de claims that privacy groups had EA on their sights for some time and the controlling authority prepares a questionary for EA.

EA responded but another new EULA doesn't change critical parts at all.

The new EULA is shorter than the old version but keeps its critical paragraphs and the Origin client didn't update to change it's behaviour as well.
EA Germanys statement can be found here:
German Source // Google-Translated Source
Thank you for the attention. OP updated as well.
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In my general experience the people who worry about other people stealing from them are theives. The people who worry about privicy have somthing to hide. I have nothing to hide.
Anyone ever read the xbox kinects agreement they can look into your house lol.
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In my general experience the people who worry about other people stealing from them are theives. The people who worry about privicy have somthing to hide. I have nothing to hide.
Anyone ever read the xbox kinects agreement they can look into your house lol.
Bull. Total and complete bull. People who care about privacy care about their rights.
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UPDATE:

Many more news sources picked up the topic in Germany.
Here are some of the headlines and where to find them:

Thank you for the attention. OP updated as well.
At this point I'm just going to have to say that it's mostly sensationalism.

for example this one:

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PC gamers are forced to install software that doesn't only scan the computer for pirated games, but also spies out personal information.
I mean wha? seriously, what?
 
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