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At this point I'm just going to have to say that it's mostly sensationalism.

for example this one:

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PC gamers are forced to install software that doesn't only scan the computer for pirated games, but also spies out personal information.
I mean wha? seriously, what?
Isn't this how most of the news work these days?
And I hope you didn't blame me, I'm only the translator.
I can clearly see your point, although this is a serious matter.

TV report in the news at 20pm, prime time (RTL 2):

Edited by Kleingetier - 10/31/11 at 1:39pm
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At this point I'm just going to have to say that it's mostly sensationalism.

for example this one:



I mean wha? seriously, what?
Hey, I don't want all the details of your information, but can you provide me with scanned copies of: deeds, bank records, family history including their legal records, copies of your previous bills - including telephone, cell, electric, utilities, cable, satellite, water; please also provide your medical records and history, the names of the people you most closely associate with, pictures of you, your family and friends, DMV records, a copy of your birth certificate, social security card, and please define your voting habits based solely on preference.

While I don't want to get the details out of all that, I just want to be sure you understand, that - I'm only interested in knowing all of this for purposes which I cannot disclaim nor expose. I can't say I won't sell any of the information to a 3rd party, but I can say that I may possibly link the information with other services you may be a part of, without your knowledge or consent.

So - Like you would ever agree to do any of that right, so why would you agree to let EA do something similar? Because of a game?
    
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Isn't this how most of the news work these days?
And I hope you didn't blame me, I'm only the translator.
I can clearly see your point, although this is a serious matter.
Blaming the news sites mostly.

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Hey, I don't want all the details of your information, but can you provide me with scanned copies of: deeds, bank records, family history including their legal records, copies of your previous bills - including telephone, cell, electric, utilities, cable, satellite, water; please also provide your medical records and history, the names of the people you most closely associate with, pictures of you, your family and friends, DMV records, a copy of your birth certificate, social security card, and please define your voting habits based solely on preference.

While I don't want to get the details out of all that, I just want to be sure you understand, that - I'm only interested in knowing all of this for purposes which I cannot disclaim nor expose. I can't say I won't sell any of the information to a 3rd party, but I can say that I may possibly link the information with other services you may be a part of, without your knowledge or consent.

So - Like you would ever agree to do any of that right, so why would you agree to let EA do something similar? Because of a game?
No I would not. And no I do not want to give that info. But that isn't the point. My point is that the news report just flat out lied in their article unless they have some evidence that we don't have access to.

Yes what EA is doing with Origin is bad, but all this sensationalism is making it look 100x worse than it really is. In reality we should be boycotting Google and Facebook for all their datamining, not a small gaming company whose DD client just happens to check some program files for marketing purposes. Even their EULA states that they reserve the right to collect nonpersonally identifiable data, and that it will not be sold to 3rd parties. They will collect nonpersonal data that will be used in marketing purposes within EA owned services and sites.

Now if you have proof to that states otherwise I'd be glad to listen.
 
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So many people don't even get it.

Yes, I'm talking about the "I'VE GOT NUTHIN TO HYDE BRO, SO I DON'T CARE!" type people.

I can't believe people still use this argument, that since they have 'nothing to hide' they're fine with everyone raping and pillaging every aspect of lives, from what they do with their computers, where they are at any given minute (facebook, twitter, iphones), as well as having their genitals molested by airport security.

If you guys have "nothing to hide" then why not strap a video camera to you at all times and stream it online for the world to see? What's that, it's makes you uncomfortable and violates your privacy??? Yeah, just like I thought
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The screenshot regarding the tax program is incorrectly interpreted. Process Monitor clearly shows it never requests read access to the file. Check the "Desired Access" in the detail column for the CreateFile operations. It only requests the file's attributes (i.e read only, etc.), ACL and DACL for the file (who can read/write to it and who owns the file). At no point does it attempt to read what the file contains as it never requests Generic Read or Read Data access which would be needed to read the data from the file.
Actually this is sometimes enough information, depending on the software as you can see here where Origin is scanning folders with medical files and chat protocols:

http://youtu.be/6lGUOFjMuQA

What software is installed and if it is in active usage can reveal very much about a user. If you have Photoshop installed you are probably interested in graphics design. If you have CAD Software installed you are perhaps interested in engineering. If you have software for diabetics installed to log blood sugar levels you are probably diabetic. There is no need to actually open the file and check your blood sugar level of a specific day. The information that the software is on your computer and is in active use is enough.

EA admitted in the original version of the German EULA that it will collect information about "Software" and "Software Usage" for marketing purposes - connected to your personal profile. They would only anonymize the information if shared with third party companies.

So you can clearly see why the software is looking for the file attributes - that's the "Software Usage" part.
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Dear EA

How to make a list of installed programs, scan this in the registry.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows\\ CurrentVersion\\Uninstall
Copy the keys 'display name'
Send that list to the server

Done, you don't need to manually scan my files thanks.
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There was a time when i would of screamed from the top of my lungs about this kind of stuff. But the fact of the matter is it does no good because others wont. People just like to complain about everything and cry because they want more and want to give less. When it comes down to do somthing no one does anything. Change takes action not harsh words on a forum. People cry about the goverment but wont vote. You know why EA is doing this because they can and know you will still buy their game and as much content as they put out. In the end most people would let them stick a probe up their butts and smile the whole time. If iam wrong show me what you have done to rectify this great travesty. Link me your petiton ill sign. Want me to write my congressman show me your letter first and ill have one mailed in the morning. You wont because you have done nothing except give EA your money. Iam 36 years old and iam finally at a point where i believe big bussines will do what they want. Look at the deregulation of the stockmarket and what happend we bailed everyone out and when they raised out credit card rates we appointed them to the goverments highest financial positions.
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Blaming the news sites mostly.



No I would not. And no I do not want to give that info. But that isn't the point. My point is that the news report just flat out lied in their article unless they have some evidence that we don't have access to.

Yes what EA is doing with Origin is bad, but all this sensationalism is making it look 100x worse than it really is. In reality we should be boycotting Google and Facebook for all their datamining, not a small gaming company whose DD client just happens to check some program files for marketing purposes. Even their EULA states that they reserve the right to collect nonpersonally identifiable data, and that it will not be sold to 3rd parties. They will collect nonpersonal data that will be used in marketing purposes within EA owned services and sites.

Now if you have proof to that states otherwise I'd be glad to listen.
You actually have no idea what they're ultimately scanning for/against, where that information will/will not be used, and who/who doesn't get the information.
    
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You actually have no idea what they're ultimately scanning for/against, where that information will/will not be used, and who/who doesn't get the information.
I'm sorry but I don't support the idea of people or corporations being guilty until proven innocent.
 
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I'm sorry but I don't support the idea of people or corporations being guilty until proven innocent.
You just don't get it, do you? It's a privacy issue, not a "what are they doing with my data issue". They shouldn't be touching or scanning your system in the first place.

Fact, no amount of privacy violation is acceptable, and if you let companies chip away at your freedoms like this they'll wanna get away with anything.
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