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Originally Posted by Alatar;15524152 
EA shows microsoft adds on their sites ----> EA gets add revenue = money for EA.

EA shows the right ads for a specific user on their page ---> user is more likely to click the add = EA gets even more ad revenue/money.



Doesn't really work like that. For example there are different facebook links, elements, like-buttons etc. on majority of popular news sites, blogs etc. right now. When you use one of these sites, even if you don't have a facebook account you get profiled and your browsing habits get used for marketing. Doesn't sound too much different than Origin checking what programs you run and using that info for advertising.



EA, Google, Facebook and MS all offer services for their customers. The have their differences but those are really not relevant right now since we're talking about privacy issues related to services specifically.

Underlined: Those site's aren't actively scanning my personal computer looking for relevant data mining to assure those 3rd party advertising elements. Origin is.

Bold: Oh but you're wrong, this is what you're stating as being ok. The services are relevant because they offer those services. It is a privacy issue relating exactly to those services, namely Origin.

Lastly, for your own night, I fail to see the logic in your argument. You mention your argument being based on 'sensationalized' media coverage yet you bring in the very privacy concerns we're on about - not the media coverage. confused.gif
    
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Originally Posted by Sir Shfvingle;15514725 
In the end though, it's EA's product. If you don't like their terms, don't use their product. If their terms are against the law in your country, it's their loss for losing sales in an entire country. All you lose is a game, while they lose millions. They want to sell it to you, but, it is not your right to play a game if it is illegal. Now please, get back to work so we can worry about more important things.

The next time you walk into a convenience store to buy a chocolate bar they will ask you for blood samples and fingerprints. Don't like these terms, simple, don't buy it.

Months later all stores will force customers to give blood samples and fingerprints before buying chocolates bars. In fact, you can no longer buy chocolate bars anywhere without following this necessary step. If you don't like this policy, don't ever buy a chocolate bar anymore.
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For people who have been monitoring the scanning of Origin. Does it scan the hdd it's installed in only or does it scan all the hdd in yoru PC?
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Originally Posted by Alatar;15524152 
You just gave me the privacy thing again. Yes we know, you don't have to pound it into everyone's head right now

Actually, I do need to pound it in everyone's head. People need to realize that first and foremost this is a privacy issue and nothing else.

It's NOT about "how much privacy violation is ok", it's NOT about "what EA is gonna do with my data", it's NOT about "where EA is gonna store my data" or any other irrelevant little point, it's about why EA is violating our data in the first place.

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I'm arguing against the overblown reaction the media seems to have right now.

Sure, and you have a valid point (we need consistent media coverage and public reaction), but please don't do it in this thread as it is another topic altogether and will only pollute this thread with irrelevant discussion. We need to stick to the issue at hand, which is privacy violation and not hypocritical public reaction.
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@i7monkey
you have to tell them what privacy is!
you telling them taht privacy is only a word..something you can have if you want or not if you dont want
you dont have to tell them why to have privacy
you have to tell them why you should never have unprivacy

you can easily use the ddr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany)
most of you guys say: i dont do anything wrong!
are you realy shure? you doing a lot of things wrong. You vote for the wrong party. No matter for which party you vote! The other guys wont like you. If the other guys now have the power to chosse wether you should get something (eg a job) you will 100% not get it
if you want to know how dangerous it can be if you dont have privacy:
https://www.privacyrights.org/why-privacy
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20202935/ns/business-school_inc_/t/job-candidates-getting-tripped-facebook/
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2006/05/70886

or if you want more watching movies
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/

watch this, read this and you know what privacy is

you guys never had to deal with threats to your society
you had democray for almost all time
you had never to live in a county invaded by enemy forces
you had never hitler
you had never socialism

and now you guys are throwing away which makes you guys unique: you all time democracy

today you have one of the weakest democracys in the world
only democracys in countrys like russia are weaker the yours

How i dare to write this?
I think. I wonder what you americans whould do if your army fails for some reason eg evil president or mutining troops

taking your guns and shoot? no because you see no reason to fight for your rights or privacy. Because you dont need them the most of you time but if you are in a situation where you need them and you dont have them you are pwned. Because you cant get rights from in a couple of seconds back. so better never loosing them?

sry for my bad english

Grüße from bavaria
Edited by L1Ghtk1ll3r - 10/31/11 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by i7monkey;15524413 
The next time you walk into a convenience store to buy a chocolate bar they will ask you for blood samples and fingerprints. Don't like these terms, simple, don't buy it.

Months later all stores will force customers to give blood samples and fingerprints before buying chocolates bars. In fact, you can no longer buy chocolate bars anywhere without following this necessary step. If you don't like this policy, don't ever buy a chocolate bar anymore.

If enough people didn't go to the store, then the store would go out of business. Simple as that. If enough people don't buy the game (to late for that), then Origin would be removed, or DICE would suffer big losses (possibility).
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If you don't like your privacy invaded, then why would you buy and play a game that supports it?

It's like giving your war enemy valuable intel, and then being outraged that they know your next moves...

You can complain all you want, but unless you actually stop supporting it, no one cares. And they shouldn't.
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Originally Posted by kennyparker1337;15525065 
If you don't like your privacy invaded, then why would you buy and play a game that supports it?

It's like giving your war enemy valuable intel, and then being outraged that they know your next moves...

You can complain all you want, but unless you actually stop supporting it, no one cares. And they shouldn't.

Lets say MS adds something similar to Windows.
And Linus does to Linux.
And Apple does to OSX.
And The FreeBSD Project do to FreeBSD.
etc.

Then, what OS do I use? Oh dear, looks like I can't use a computer any more. rolleyes.gif

It's fair enough when it's one or two games you have to boycott, but when it's many it just is too far for everyone, whining doesn't help and people should be emailing the companies responsible with complaints, but still, just saying "Don't buy it" is shortsighted and just as bad on the other side.
    
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Originally Posted by Brutuz;15525116 
Lets say MS adds something similar to Windows.
And Linus does to Linux.
And Apple does to OSX.
And The FreeBSD Project do to FreeBSD.
etc.

Then, what OS do I use? Oh dear, looks like I can't use a computer any more. rolleyes.gif

It's fair enough when it's one or two games you have to boycott, but when it's many it just is too far for everyone, whining doesn't help and people should be emailing the companies responsible with complaints, but still, just saying "Don't buy it" is shortsighted and just as bad on the other side.

You misunderstood me. I wasn't saying it was the only solution, but it is part of the solution. AS you can clearly see in Germany.

What annoys me, is all the people playing with Origin and complaining its doing bad things. Uninstall it and never install it again, and then you may complain.

In this specific case, an easier solution would be to return your PC copy and get a console version if you want to play the game badly.
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Another thing to remeber for those that argue that its ok because its not he Govt doing this, remember that the NSA and other agencies use major corps, like AT&T, as proxies for web sifting.

Another note for those of you who think its ok for EA to put stuff like this in an EULA, just remember that EULAs and the DMCA have both essentially killed the consumer Fair Use law.
    
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Originally Posted by conzilla;15522407 
In my general experience the people who worry about other people stealing from them are theives. The people who worry about privicy have somthing to hide. I have nothing to hide.
Anyone ever read the xbox kinects agreement they can look into your house lol.

And all people are good...right?

Information is ammunition. Give it in the wrong hands and it can be used against you. Make one house of government more powerful then the next and we create political instability. No, EA is clearly infringing on peoples' right and should be held up in court.
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