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nakano2k Ok... So when the "neutral" software is catered to the CPU, then it's neutral?? AMD KNEW what programs would be used to test the X86 power of the chip. Review sites have been using the same software for well over 3 years now. It's not like the review sites said "in order to screw AMD, we're going to change our test software at the last minute to favor Intel". Review sites are there for a reason. If AMD didn't like the way the sites conduct their test reviews, then maybe they shouldn't have sent them the sample chips in the first place.
the linux and server community are already optimizing for bulldozer uarch.Same polluted software for the last 10 years.





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You do realize that by "high end market" i'm including the FX-8102 + 8150 in there as well, right?? AFAIC, anything over 200 for a CPU is high end. So i'd be surprised if less than 50 people purchased new rigs this winter.
high end market is fractional at best compared to utility house hold and desktop computing sales, most PC's sold today by market segment are under $500.

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Yes, improved earnings are why AMD improved. You'll notice that the stock took a nose dive upon the announcement of the delay of the new FX processors in late august, and then again when the cpus were actually released to the public earlier on last month. The reason that the stock is rebounding is because they have resolved their supply chain issues regarding their fusion CPUs with TSMC.

Stock price rarely reflect reality, stock prices are a poker game, no more, no less. They are not based on the companys book value and margin position. Which IMHO is stupid.


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And that's for you to decide?? Since when are you the all knowing?? And even if I wasn't, that automatically disqualifies be from making a comment about what I view as price to performance value in regards to AMD?? Yeah, ok...

See your sig, you obviously have some AXE to grind about AMD. Move on with your life. If you don't like the product, don't buy it.


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I have a X4 955 that I run in my server right now. It's great for it's job, but it gets thrashed by my 2500k. I was going to upgrade to bulldozer, but it just didn't impress me. Why would I throw away money on something inferior just to stay with a particular brand?? That's ridiculous.
Same tests on Linux yeild a "less then thrashed" slant, yes the 2500 leads, but the x4955 is vastly cheaper. the product that did compete with the 2500/2600 was the thuban.



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Well yeah... AMD pulled the wool over everyone's eyes on Bulldozer. Intel tried to take as much steam out of the sails of bulldozer as they could by lowering price. Little did they know that they didn't need to do anything. They could have raised prices even more if they wanted since AMD flat out lied to customers.
This statement makes no sense. Your inciting conspiracy ? to what ? here we are, here is the data, 8150 is bracketed between 2500/2600 in terms of multithreaded performance and below both in single threaded performance.

What wool ? Did AMD release falsified benchmarks of the cpu at launch time ? Seriously, grow up.

Its a vast right/left wing conspiracy. Tin foil much ?


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There's a reason chief investors say these things about AMD as a company.
LOL


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"Credit Suisse ladles out the sour punch, calling AMD “a trade-able stock, still not an investible company:”

"Bank of America Merrill Lynch says AMD did fine, but it still prefers Intel and keeps its “sell” rating on AMD:"

"Oppenheimer was similarly unimpressed, saying the stock has already run far enough:"
From the same people that brought us housing bubble, market destruction, CDS etc.the same folks that sold junk mortagaes with AAA ratings. Really these honest people ? they want more favorable buying positions.

I'll pass.
Edited by SCollins - 11/2/11 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by BigCactus View Post
Your eyes can't tell the difference between 60fps and 200fps.
You are looking at it the wrong way though...sure lets say one CPU will let you get 60fps out of your GPU and another will let you get 200fps out of your GPU. Most people will not notice the difference.

However, what happens next year when a game comes out that is twice as taxing on the CPU? Then you are only getting 30fps on one and 100fps on the other.

Don't always think in the now...unless you change CPUs every eight months.

I personally notice a huge difference between 60fps and 200fps though...the screen tearing on 200fps will look like crap. I will take V-Sync please.

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So you believe everything you read?

You believe review sites don't have bias?

Do you believe all the benchmarks where Bulldozer did beat Sandy?

Do you own Intel stock?

Just saying.
The review sites place their reputations and lively hoods on the accuracy of those results. If they get shown to be biased then they loose their credibility and less people will go to their site. Meaning less money from adds. So any time you read a review you sort have to believe that what is reported is what they saw...especially when they provide screen shots. Is it any different than asking some random OCN member to produce the same? You would believe that more than a review site that makes a living reviewing hardware?
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....Was wondering what peoples thoughts were when they transitioned from Sandy Bridge to Bulldozer


Is this a serious question?? Who in their right mind would do that??

An FX-8150 produced 18...yes that's EIGHTEEN frames per second LESS than a 2500k and 2600k using a Radeon HD 6970 in Civ5, and the FX-8150 was clocked HIGHER:

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What you see above is no mistake, we ran the test multiple times on the AMD FX-8150 system to make sure we didn't screw something up. The AMD FX-8150 consistently produced an average framerate of 40 FPS each time we tried it. Both the Intel i7 2600K and 2500K thoroughly blew the AMD FX-8150 out of the water by providing a whopping 42% faster performance with the Intel i7 2600K.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/...mance_review/4

So while in most games you may not notice a difference, in some you certainly do.
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Is this a serious question?? Who in their right mind would do that??

An FX-8150 produced 18...yes that's EIGHTEEN frames per second LESS than a 2500k and 2600k using a Radeon HD 6970 in Civ5, and the FX-8150 was clocked HIGHER:



http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/...mance_review/4

So while in most games you may not notice a difference, in some you certainly do.
That's one benchmark. There have been benches where the 8150 for example performed better in bf3 than the 2500k, etc.
    
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That's one benchmark. There have been benches where the 8150 for example performed better in bf3 than the 2500k, etc.
And thus, the true purpose of the thread was revealed.

If you don't know what gpu bound means, there is no hope for any future discussions.
    
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If you don't know what gpu bound means, there is no hope for any future discussions.
So, that is Intel Shills excuse these days

Oh we are faster in the irrelevant screen resolution but slower in the relevant resolution

Going to ignore HardOCP they are showing Intel Shillism by using awful timings(OC'ed ram for Sandy Bridge but non-OC'ed ram for Bulldozer)
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So, that is Intel Shills excuse these days

Oh we are faster in the irrelevant screen resolution but slower in the relevant resolution

Going to ignore HardOCP they are showing Intel Shillism by using awful timings(OC'ed ram for Sandy Bridge but non-OC'ed ram for Bulldozer)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/s...-the-best-ddr3


    
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So, that is Intel Shills excuse these days

Oh we are faster in the irrelevant screen resolution but slower in the relevant resolution

Going to ignore HardOCP they are showing Intel Shillism by using awful timings(OC'ed ram for Sandy Bridge but non-OC'ed ram for Bulldozer)
you confuse me so much.i hope your not going down the zoner bentmarks and cheater insanity,or are you being sarcastic?
it's like one week you seem to make common sense and rational posts and the next your back in the unreality world?
    
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I can only trust Anandtech because he is so Intel
AMD stock is 1600MHz for Bulldozer
Intel stock is 1333MHz for Sandy Bridge

HardOCP is using 1600MHz 9-9-9-24-2T It's overclocked for Intel but it isn't for Bulldozer using 2133MHz ram would be evenly matched

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you confuse me so much.i hope your not going down the zoner bentmarks and cheater insanity,or are you being sarcastic?
it's like one week you seem to make common sense and rational posts and the next your back in the unreality world?
What the wattaburger are you talking about?
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AMD stock is 1600MHz for Bulldozer
Intel stock is 1333MHz for Sandy Bridge

HardOCP is using 1600MHz 9-9-9-24-2T It's overclocked for Intel but it isn't for Bulldozer using 2133MHz ram would be evenly matched

    
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