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Well i dont know where you are, but around me we have 2 year contracts. And what about iOS 3 on the original iphone? Its fast enough to support true multitasking through jailbreaking, why not give it the update? Because apple wants you to buy the new phone. Apple is no better than anyone else at giving updates. (Is that a good enough rant?)

EDIT: They did the same for the iphone 3g and the ipod touches, too. pretty pathetic if you ask me...
Did I read that right? You think the original iPhone can handle iOS 4 when the 3G can only just handle it? Processing power aside, it simply doesn't have enough RAM. Actually, it's just processing power.
Edited by steelbom - 10/30/11 at 3:09am
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the original iPhone, and the 3g both have 128mb, and use the same processor
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Yep, apple is much better about getting updates out to last gen phones.
Then again they only have to support what, 5 phones? HTC alone has well over a dozen phones out this year.
Edited by qwertymac93 - 10/30/11 at 3:27am
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the original iPhone, and the 3g both have 128mb, and use the same processor
Eh really? I only knew about the RAM. There's no reason I know of hardware-wise why it couldn't run it, so it might be that they only plan to support an iPhone for two new iOS releases after launch which is still pretty good.
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Perhaps, but I've heard that even last year's flagship Android phone, the Galaxy S, won't be getting Ice Cream Sandwich. That's be like Apple not upgrading the iPhone 4 to iOS 5.0, and I can't imagine what kind of uproar would follow if they actually tried that.
Galaxy S on sprint, didn't even get gingerbread and all the 2.3 roms that are "unofficial" force close and crash.
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One of the things that's great about iPhones is their long support lifecycles - each generation has gotten about 30 months of iOS upgrades. As a result, I'm not impressed by Google's new 18 month Android upgrade program, which is being billed as an improvement over the current situation.

What is the current situation? Is Google simply targeting a handful of bad handset manufacturers with the 18 month program, or is it standard practice to drop support for existing models as soon as next year's lineup is released? How long do handset manufacturers like HTC and Samsung typically provide updates for?

3 year contracts are the standard here, so an 18 month support lifecycle would render an Android phone obsolete by the time I was halfway through the contract, whereas an iPhone would continue to get updates until the final few months.

[Edit after reading the responses] You guys aren't doing a very good job of convincing me, a satisfied iPhone owner, that I would be better off with an Android phone instead of an iPhone 4S for my next phone. I have yet to see anybody give any reasons why Android phones are superior or what they offer that would be worth giving up Apple's end-to-end experience and ecosystem.
Honestly speaking, the 18 month life cycle isn't really that big of a deal. The big problem with Android phones is that unless you specifically buy the actual Google Versions of the phones (Nexus 1, Nexus S, etc) you have to wait until the phone maker decides to release the new version of Android for your phone as everyone wants to fill it in with as much proprietary garbage as possible. However, with the Google phones, most people have been able to update to the newer versions the day of release. Personally, the iPhone hasn't been a hit to me as of late. I had my 3G and I've not wanted another one since.

I switched to Anrdroid and I'm happier with the phones performance and the amount of stuff I can do it on vs the iPhone. I always had to jailbreak my iPhones in order to do anything and then Apple started "giving" people the things they were jailbreaking to do while really only giving a slight boost in hardware each time so I said screw it. What's the point in buying a new phone every 2 years to only have it be marginally better than the previous generation. At least every time I upgrade to a new Android phone, I'm actually getting a better phone each time.
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Eh really? I only knew about the RAM. There's no reason I know of hardware-wise why it couldn't run it, so it might be that they only plan to support an iPhone for two new iOS releases after launch which is still pretty good.
The hardware reason is that people won't buy new phones unless theirs doesn't work.

Apple literally had no reason to drop support, they just did for gits and shiggles.

If you buy the right phones, you can get 2 upgrade cycles out of it.

Nexus One for example, 2.1->2.2->2.3

Nexus S 2.3-> incremental 2.3 updates (we went from 2.3.0 to 2.3.7)-> 4.0 ICS

Motorola Droid 2.0.1->2.1->2.2

Combine it with custom roms that will give you pretty much any version you want (later than what it launched with), you can easily get more than 2, and usually far before any sort of official release. There are 2.3.x roms for the G1 (first android phone)

Hell, even my HTC thunderbolt is update neglected (seriously it's like HTC just decided to stop supporting it), but they already have a bootable ICS port, that should probably be fully functional within a few months.

iOS is cool because everyone knows exactly how to use it, and for the most part, it does "just work". Not always a good thing, but it does "work". And there is some value in that, but i hate feeling like a three year old when using it.

One of the other most annoying things with android, is Stock roms. People get all PO'ed with their Android phones becuase they "lag" or "crash".....yea, maybe you wouldn't have that problem if you didn't have like 80 apps open + HTC sense/Moto Blur/TouchWiz all the time.... ugh.

If Google decided to stop licencing Android to third parties, and only produced 1 phone, with the stock android experience, I bet that public opinion of Android would be on par with that of iOS or anything for that matter.

Stock 2.3.5 is amazing <3 4.0 is looking really nice aswell.

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Galaxy S on sprint, didn't even get gingerbread and all the 2.3 roms that are "unofficial" force close and crash.
I highly doubt that every one of the 40+ roms for the Epic 4G force close and crash (roms can't even force close....)
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The hardware reason is that people won't buy new phones unless theirs doesn't work.

Apple literally had no reason to drop support, they just did for gits and shiggles.

If you buy the right phones, you can get 2 upgrade cycles out of it.

Nexus One for example, 2.1->2.2->2.3

Nexus S 2.3-> incremental 2.3 updates (we went from 2.3.0 to 2.3.7)-> 4.0 ICS

Motorola Droid 2.0.1->2.1->2.2

Combine it with custom roms that will give you pretty much any version you want (later than what it launched with), you can easily get more than 2, and usually far before any sort of official release. There are 2.3.x roms for the G1 (first android phone)

Hell, even my HTC thunderbolt is update neglected (seriously it's like HTC just decided to stop supporting it), but they already have a bootable ICS port, that should probably be fully functional within a few months.
It's not really unfair to stop releasing major updates for it considering its age. The 3G couldn't run iOS 5 considering it uses a 412MHz ARM11 w/ a PowerVR MBX Lite 3D GPU and only 128MB of LPDDR RAM whereas the 3GS which runs it quite well has a 600MHz ARM Cortex-A8 w/ a PowerVR SGX535 (a significant improvement) and 256MB LPDDR RAM.

The problem with ROMs is that they're bad for your average joe. Anyone who has a technical inclination, they will be great for. But for all those regular users who don't know anything about this stuff, they get left in the dark.
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iOS is cool because everyone knows exactly how to use it, and for the most part, it does "just work". Not always a good thing, but it does "work". And there is some value in that, but i hate feeling like a three year old when using it.

One of the other most annoying things with android, is Stock roms. People get all PO'ed with their Android phones becuase they "lag" or "crash".....yea, maybe you wouldn't have that problem if you didn't have like 80 apps open + HTC sense/Moto Blur/TouchWiz all the time.... ugh.

If Google decided to stop licencing Android to third parties, and only produced 1 phone, with the stock android experience, I bet that public opinion of Android would be on par with that of iOS or anything for that matter.

Stock 2.3.5 is amazing <3 4.0 is looking really nice aswell.
To be honest that's why I kind of believe Apple's way is better. The majority of Android users are like the majority of iOS users, and whilst Android offers flexibility and customisation which is greatly appreciated by enthusiasts, iOS offers simplicity and literally unbreakability which isn't necessarily appreciated (or "noted") by your average consumer but it makes it a solid, consistent, reliable experience.

I do totally agree that Android would be much better if they did that, however they still could license to third parties but just prevent the modification of stock Android. That way third parties can't modify it, and have to rely on what stock offers. I don't know if it'd bring it up with iOS, but it'd definitely help a lot.

I think Stock Android + Universal Marketplace (only one, not multiples) + Stricter app guidelines (to prevent malware) would fix a few flaws of Android and make it an even stronger competitor against Apple.
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I'll just break it up since otherwise it would be impossible to read my thoughts lol

1. We were talking about the 2G/3G. The 2G could have easilly had iOS4 just like the 3G, but apple didn't update it just because they didn't feel like it, and even though we can't really confirm it, it was probably motivated by money.

Yes, it makes sense that they cut support for the 3G now, the thing is too damn slow. I know this first hand, I owned an iTouch 1g (same proc as 3G/2G), iTouch 3G (32GB, the one with the 3GS proc), and an iTouch 4G (A4 proc). So yea, i saw the difference.

2. I'm all for 3rd party skins and roms (touchwiz, Blur, etc), as long as they are good, which currently (with the exception of probably Sense 3.0/5), are not. I feel that if you take out that sort of manufacturer differentiation, it will kinda kill the spirit of android.

Maybe if you could uninstall it, and revert to stock, it would be nice.

3. Android has something close to 50% marketshare right now, while iOS has like 25%, so technically, Android has already surpassed iOS

As for the other ponts:
-Universal market? There is only one market....and what is wrong with 3rd party appstores, they just help drive competition. Maybe you are talking about how some phones cannot install certain apps or something? That is just because the developer deemed said phones incompatible, so it is an advantage not to be able to dl it.

-Stricter app guidelines is kinda unnessacary. You have to be a total fool to DL malicious apps. Believe it or not, FREE_PR0NZ_BOOBZ_HAX_FREE_4G.apk is not a trustworthy app, who woulda though....and if you are really that stupid, there are AV programs, most of which work pretty well.

That, and i really don't see how you can get any stricter than they currently are, if you have a malicious app on the market, it gets removed, and usually the dev account is closed.

I think they should be less strict. They bend too easily to corporate pressure. They keep removing emulators and stuff at the whim of Nintendo/sony/etc, even though they have not violated any laws/copyrights/patents. Apps like Tricoder got removed simply because the label (Warner?) didn't like the likeness of the tricorder being used without license, EVEN THOUGH the creator of startrek explicitly stated that he did not want anyone to own the rights to the likeness of the tricorder. All this stuff is a bunch of bullcrap if you ask me, but no where near the kind of !@#$@%$#@%^%^ that apple pulls. (my favorite is banning apps from the Store only to incorporate them into later versions of the OS)
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I'll just break it up since otherwise it would be impossible to read my thoughts lol

1. We were talking about the 2G/3G. The 2G could have easilly had iOS4 just like the 3G, but apple didn't update it just because they didn't feel like it, and even though we can't really confirm it, it was probably motivated by money.
It's quite possibly true, but if they had of supported the 2G they would now be having to support two less models, rather than just one. Don't you think it's pretty fair to receive one major release per year for two years after your purchase?
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Yes, it makes sense that they cut support for the 3G now, the thing is too damn slow. I know this first hand, I owned an iTouch 1g (same proc as 3G/2G), iTouch 3G (32GB, the one with the 3GS proc), and an iTouch 4G (A4 proc). So yea, i saw the difference.
We've got one and yes, it is indeed too slow. As I said above, if Apple had of supported the iPhone 2G they would now not be dropping sort for one phone but two, which may like a much worser thing than it actually is.
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2. I'm all for 3rd party skins and roms (touchwiz, Blur, etc), as long as they are good, which currently (with the exception of probably Sense 3.0/5), are not. I feel that if you take out that sort of manufacturer differentiation, it will kinda kill the spirit of android.

Maybe if you could uninstall it, and revert to stock, it would be nice.
That's the problem though, there's a lot of phones with bad or not-so-great skins and ROMs being put into the hands of the majority which are your average users. This overall gives Android less consistency as well as generates some negativity towards Android.

I don't think it would. It would let the hardware manufactures focus on doing what they do best, and that's making hardware not coding skins and ROMs. It means you'd have stock Android, faster updates, less bloat, better performance from the get-go, and it would mean any faults in Android will be much more noticeable and thus fixed quickly and the OS as a whole will be improved, and your average joe would be overall happier.
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3. Android has something close to 50% marketshare right now, while iOS has like 25%, so technically, Android has already surpassed iOS
Yeah, but Apple is only one company selling three phones. They're doing pretty well but I'm not sure if they could ever control more market share than multiple companies releasing quite a few new phones per year.

Android and iOS will still need to remain competitive with each other and that should keep things moving in the right direction.
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As for the other ponts:
-Universal market? There is only one market....and what is wrong with 3rd party appstores, they just help drive competition. Maybe you are talking about how some phones cannot install certain apps or something? That is just because the developer deemed said phones incompatible, so it is an advantage not to be able to dl it.
No, I mean the marketplace or "third party app stores". It's more places to go to check for good apps rather than just one place that has everything.
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-Stricter app guidelines is kinda unnessacary. You have to be a total fool to DL malicious apps. Believe it or not, FREE_PR0NZ_BOOBZ_HAX_FREE_4G.apk is not a trustworthy app, who woulda though....and if you are really that stupid, there are AV programs, most of which work pretty well.
I've seen several pop up that weren't that obvious and were pretty bad.
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That, and i really don't see how you can get any stricter than they currently are, if you have a malicious app on the market, it gets removed, and usually the dev account is closed.
The difference is, and the improvement I'm talking about is, you shouldn't be able to put a malicious app on the market. There has never been, and never will be, a malicious app on the App Store, because of their review process and guidelines.
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I think they should be less strict. They bend too easily to corporate pressure. They keep removing emulators and stuff at the whim of Nintendo/sony/etc, even though they have not violated any laws/copyrights/patents. Apps like Tricoder got removed simply because the label (Warner?) didn't like the likeness of the tricorder being used without license, EVEN THOUGH the creator of startrek explicitly stated that he did not want anyone to own the rights to the likeness of the tricorder. All this stuff is a bunch of bullcrap if you ask me, but no where near the kind of !@#$@%$#@%^%^ that apple pulls. (my favorite is banning apps from the Store only to incorporate them into later versions of the OS)
What apps would they be?
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Core i5 6600K ASRock Z170 Pro4 ASUS Radeon RX 480 ROG Strix Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3000MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorPower
Samsung 850 EVO Noctua NH-D15 LG 34" Ultrawide (LG34UC98) Corsair HX750i 
Case
Silverstone FT05B-W 
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