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Mega-noob here, and I have my 1st build pretty much finalized except for the case. I was initially looking at the CM Enforcer, but was wary that the size may not be adequate for my cooling ambitions.

This is where I'm having a dilemma and lack of knowledge. This is my cooling plan for my build in order to maximize learning/experimentation:

-run stock for a while to see differences in performance later
-run air cooling for a while
-run water cooling
-run TEC?
-run phase change?
-run dry ice/liquid nitrogen?
-other cooling experiments/the final frontier?

Should I forgo air cooling since it'll basically be a waste of an air cooling unit once I upgrade to water cooling?

I know for certain I wanna do watercooling because I love the flashy tubing you can display. However, about the cooling options after that, are there any setups with TEC/phase change/dry ice/other experiments that can all fit inside a case and look equally as flashy? Kinda weird I know, but my primary concerns are flashiness + learning + can fit all inside a case for convenience/looks (no large external device to power the comp).

Also, I heard water cooling can get quite heavy. That's fine, but do the other cooling options that come afterward get even heavier? If it gets ridiculously heavy, I might have to reconsider even attempting it.

So based on my wacky desires, how would you guys plan out my cooling adventure? Also, what kind of case (I'm guessing full-tower) should I get for my cooling plans?

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mobo: asrock extreme3 gen3
cpu: i5-2500k
gpu: msi twin frozr II 560Ti 2gb
psu: corsair HX650
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http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=547...ture=LIAN%2DLI do somwething like that.... its called a tourcher rack.. also i have a custom one forsale that will allow you to do a fair bit of modding as i purchased it in a fundrasier on here and is missing some components...
post #3 of 15
well, the thing is after watercooling,

stuff gets super expensive, and dry ice and liquid nitrogin, well first off, you cant get that stuff just anywhere, its expensive, and its most certainly not for 24/7 use, the upkeep on those would be insanse. People do those extensive cooling systems to see how far they can push a CPU, mostly for benchmarks, bragging rights and for pure pleasure. i would look at the videos around here of liquid N cooling and stuff, these arnt "bring your buddys over and play a bunch of games" or "game all night" kind of setups.

these systems usually have insanly modified cases and cooling systems to protect the rest of the computer.

Watercooling, there are cases out there that can easily fit water cooling systems, i reccomend searching the water cooling club, thousands of pics there.

watercooling can add weight, however, people who water cool tend to not worry about that because they know that by going h2o they arnt gunna be moving there system around alot, and typicially i never see a h2o system at a LAN party or bring over to my friends ect, because of risk of leaks, caused by weight fluxuations while driving.

Typically, people have a secondary rig for lans and stuff if they have good watercooling systems (my h100 doesnt count as water cooling, or atleast i dont count it, because its a sealed unit and is really 100% different from "real" water cooling set ups)

stock cooling, is air cooling, just really LOUD and innificient cooling, upgrading to a hyper 212 or better (dont go for anything less then a hyper 212 for air cooling) you might as well stay at stock, will see better cooling, quieter systems.
   
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Wow, didn't even know such a thing like that existed

I'm looking for a regular case, however, as that thing doesn't fit my aesthetics bill and my build will be more for showing off to family/friends rather than benching/performance peaks.

It does look like a rather cool device for testing though with all that ample space
    
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http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...ks-stable.html
I would look there to decide if water is viable I decided to go for air because water is now looking for the last 300-400mhz of oc even then a silver arrow has proven to be capable of a 5.1Ghz stable 12 prime blend oc with a sandy bridge even then the chip is not always even going to be cabable of 5Ghz even under water
I would recomend this case for value and trasportability and superior case air flow
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/343...ase/index.html
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there are better modles its just to show you a rough idea... the one i have is closed except the mb is on top and two rads are mounted on the side it looks cool. if its extreme you want pick up a M10 from here that case is massive and is big enough in my opinion to allow for anything you want to do however at watercooling your just going to want to stop and enjoy teh water
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watercooling can add weight, however, people who water cool tend to not worry about that because they know that by going h2o they arnt gunna be moving there system around alot, and typicially i never see a h2o system at a LAN party or bring over to my friends ect, because of risk of leaks, caused by weight fluxuations while driving.
As long as you use the proper tubing and compression fittings i dont think there's much chance for a leak, might get some air in your loop but that's about it.

I had my giant system in the back of a 350z for a good week with no worries.
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The M10 is closer to what I'm looking at than the T60, but the outside looks too plain for my tastes + it is way out of my budget...but I appreciate the heads-up regardless (always good to learn what's out there)

I'm really looking for a regular case that can fit as much of my cooling ambitions as possible. Now based on what ggoodd said, it looks like the highest I will go is watercooling since the other stuff is too expensive and cannot be ran on a regular basis.

I'm really not looking to spend all my time maintaining the rig...simply just to deck out the inside for e-peen to be blunt without breaking my wallet lol

The Phantom case was actually one of my top choices, but unfortunately it does not have a side window!! It would be perfect otherwise. I know I can always get one by modding it, but I'm hoping to avoid that...hence why I just want to buy a case with a side window out-of-the-box. Unfortunately, it's also hard to find a case that has a large side window + an exterior that appeals to my taste as well.

So now it looks like my cooling plan will be stock -> 3rd party air cooling -> water cooling. About the 3rd party air cooling...will this item be useless for me if I eventually will go to water cooling? In other words, if I implement my own custom water cooling kit, will I have to remove the 3rd party air cooling kit?
    
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yea you will have to remove it lol you could always grab a simple case like the raven rv 3 its priceyish but not to bad...
post #10 of 15
yes yes and yes.

stock is already useless, if u put an air cooler on it, stock is no longer used, if u put water cooling, everything youve done before is useless, i mean no insult, but these are very basic terms and principles, i would REALLY reccommend looking around here and learn the differences because i dont want to see you waste a ton of cash on stuff and it not be everything, wrong stuff, bad stuff, ect.

you cant go out and jsut buy a air cooler, it has to fit on your socket, and in your case, yes some air coolers are better then others, however you dont always get what you pay for, there are a TON of crappy 60+ USD priced coolers, where the best AIR coolers are the silver arrow or noctua nh-14

Please, Google H100 and Silver Arrow the h100 is what i use, and is a good example of a cpu cooling water system, then google the other two, and see how they are entirly different

Air cooling is like Gas
Water cooling is like diesel
they can both use the same frame, but are entirly different engines
   
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