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I remember an old Core2 guide; You find out the Tjmax of your CPU, subtract 5-10C for sensor innacuracies and finally subract the number of degrees variation in ambient temps from seasonal changes. Would this still apply to Sandy Bridge?

My second concern is what CPU stress test to use to check my clocks and volts against my chosen target temps? IBT seems better for testing system stability than generating realistic load temps. Prime95 gets on my nerves by generating different temps at different times as it goes through different FFT sizes. I've played with setting a fixed FFT of 1344 or 1792 like munaim1 suggests and the temps are ~10C below IBT. But I'm quickly reaching the limits of my knowledge on these subjects. Where are the Prime95 buffs at?
Edited by markanini - 10/30/11 at 9:42am
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Yes, TJMax still applies.

I only use ORTHOS. Only program that perfectly simulates LOAD in my book.

It is a widely accepted principle that Sandy Bridge CPUs can handle up to 1.5v long-term and it is best not to exceed 80C 100% load.
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I remember an old Core2 guide; You find out the Tjmax of your CPU, subtract 5-10C for sensor innacuracies and finally subract the number of degrees variation in ambient temps from seasonal changes. Would this still apply to Sandy Bridge?
I don't know, but I've never heard of this. I just go by the Tj. Max as the absolute maximum and that's it.


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My second concern is what CPU stress test to use to check my clocks and volts against my chosen target temps? IBT seems better for testing system stability than generating realistic load temps. Prime95 gets on my nerves by generating different temps at different times as it goes through different FFT sizes. I've played with setting the a fixed FFT of 1344 or 1792 like munaim1 suggests and the temps are ~10C below IBT. Or maybe some other settings of tests could be considered for my specific goal? Where are the Prime95 buffs at?
Believe it or not, but for Sandy Bridge IBT or LinX is really only good for generating extra heat (an extremely unrealistic amount of it too). Prime95's Blend test (or Blend Custom) is where it's at now for both temps and stress testing.

However, I recommend using Prime95's Small FFTs test for about 10 minutes to find your max temps. Then once you work out your temperature goal with experimentation and tweaking, you can then move on to actual stress testing using Blend or Blend > Custom.
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Yes, TJMax still applies.

I only use ORTHOS. Only program that perfectly simulates LOAD in my book.

It is a widely accepted principle that Sandy Bridge CPUs can handle up to 1.5v long-term and it is best not to exceed 80C 100% load.
Orthos is out-dated and does not natively stress every single core without using multiple instances of Orthos setting the Affinity for each one.

Plus, Orthos is Prime95 but with a custom (improved and specific) GUI without all that extra stuff that Prime95 was originally made for. I mean the last version of Orthos is identical to Prime95 except for the GUI and features.

Prime95 is continually updated and it natively stresses all of the cores (including all logical cores).

Also, and finally: exceeding 80°C is actually not dangerous.
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Orthos is out-dated and does not natively stress every single core without using multiple instances of Orthos setting the Affinity for each one.

Plus, Orthos is Prime95 but with a custom (improved and specific) GUI without all that extra stuff that Prime95 was originally made for. I mean the last version of Orthos is identical to Prime95 except for the GUI and features.

Prime95 is continually updated and it natively stresses all of the cores (including all logical cores).

Also, and finally: exceeding 80°C is actually not dangerous.
I prefer ORTHOS to Prime95. Always have.

And I disagree. 80C 24/7 is not safe. It's not entirely dangerous, but no one on this forum will recommend it.
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I prefer ORTHOS to Prime95. Always have.
Are you using 4-8 instances of Orthos (depending HT off or on) with the Affinity set for each one?

Not everyone knows about this. Back when Orthos was my favorite stress tester (back when quad cores had just hit the market), I was recommending Orthos to all the new quad core owners, but then finally someone informed me that Orthos does not natively stress all four cores. Then they proceeded to teach me how to make it work.

Therefore, if you recommend Orthos to anyone who has anything above a dual core, then you need to make sure they know about this. After all, we are all responsible for every recommendation we make.


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And I disagree. 80C 24/7 is not safe. It's not entirely dangerous, but no one on this forum will recommend it.
24/7? I'm not talking about 24/7. I'm talking about while stress testing. Exceeding 80°C for stress testing is safe.

I mean, damn: I have a very difficult time exceeding even 68-69°C while playing like Crysis 1 or 2 completely maxed out. To even reach 68°C, I have to turn my Frio's fans all the way down and I have to turn my space heater on all the way to its 1500W setting. It wasn't easy, but I had to find out how high my temps could ever get while gaming.

However, my core temps are usually at 26-30°C 24/7. Y'know what I'm saying? I've never met anyone here on OCN who even has 70°C 24/7.
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I have always used Prime 95. What is IBT?
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I have always used Prime 95. What is IBT?
It's just Intel Burn Test.
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However, I recommend using Prime95's Small FFTs test for about 10 minutes to find your max temps. Then once you work out your temperature goal with experimentation and tweaking, you can then move on to actual stress testing using Blend or Blend > Custom.
Cool, temps are right in-between IBT and Blend. Shouldn't I reduce 'Time to run each FFT' so it gets a chance to cycle through the different FFT sizes during 10 mins?
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Cool, temps are right in-between IBT and Blend. Shouldn't I reduce 'Time to run each FFT' so it gets a chance to cycle through the different FFT sizes during 10 mins?
It won't make a difference because 10 minutes of the Small FFTs test is perfect for seeing the absolute maximum Prime95 temperature. After about 6-7 minutes, the temperature stops climbing, but it sometimes goes up 1 or 2 more degrees during the last few minutes.

Oh, and also the "Time to run each FFT size" is unrelated.
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