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You really should just shush... be quiet! "its snowing, therefore no GW"(Man-made or otherwise). You clearly know nothing of gulf-stream, global wind-cycle.).

Shush!
So you agree that there are cycles. Wind cycles, heat cycles, cold cycles so obviously no global warming.

I'm going to go back outside where it's so damn hot, oh wait it's 35*F in October.

Damn you global warming, why so hot!
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post #32 of 55
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Until any modeling data includes solar cycles, magnetic field fluctuation cycles, volcanic activity, and whatever else I'm forgetting, the human impact on these events can't be quantified...

Humans are so egocentric, they have to believe that they're capable of affecting cosmic events.
This is the truth.

We just don't have the whole picture yet because we're not looking at all the data.

We, as humans, are just doing what humans tend to do: focus on ourselves.
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So what if it's real? That doesn't mean it's primarily man made. Even if it were our fault, you can't do anything about it without intentional depopulation, sacrificing the post industrial way of life, or collapsing the global economy in a mad rush for sustainable everything. I don't care for any of those options, so I'll keep driving my 13mpg Wrangler.
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Temperatures really are rising rapidly
I quit reading after seeing "rapidly"
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""we have literally changed the relationship between the Earth and the Sun, altering the balance of energy between our planet and the rest of the universe"
Al Gore.
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So what if it's real? That doesn't mean it's primarily man made. Even if it were our fault, you can't do anything about it without intentional depopulation, sacrificing the post industrial way of life, or collapsing the global economy in a mad rush for sustainable everything. I don't care for any of those options, so I'll keep driving my 13mpg Wrangler.
The problem is that if they succeed in convincing the populace that we are the cause they will want to implement suffocating carbon taxes that will be so progressively punitive, the only thing you'll be driving is your bicycle.
 
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The problem is that if they succeed in convincing the populace that we are the cause they will want to implement suffocating carbon taxes that will be so progressively punitive, the only thing you'll be driving is your bicycle.
I'm not too worried about that happening in the US. There are far too many places where you either own your own transportation, or you can't go anywhere. If people couldn't afford to drive, I imagine we would see social unrest that would make Occupy WallStreet look like a tiny blip on the radar.
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Oooooh boy. Alright lets talk about some FACTS here.

This is the Vostok ice core - one of the largest records of direct climate data we have. The far left is us, the rest is 400,000 years of data. You might be able to see that the CO2 concentrations now are higher than they've ever been in that record (and in fact for over 2 million years). Similarly you might see the 'sawtooth' trends which have been occurring during this time period as well. If we were to look at those trends we should be in a period of cooling now but instead we are warming.

On that fact alone we need something to show why we aren't cooling. None of the cosmic forces, which we understand very well and can model quite easily, contribute enough to account for this. Therefore what else could it be? Hmm ok well we already mentioned that the CO2 concentrations are the highest they've been for over 2 million years and we know CO2 is a greenhouse gas, AND we know that CO2 is anthropogenically produced. Therefore it is wholly reasonable to surmise that humans are the cause of this local warming period and it is due to CO2 production. See the logic!?
Edited by Sylence - 10/30/11 at 8:30pm
post #39 of 55
Read the fiction book State of Fear by Michael Crichton (sic?). I found it to be a very awesome thriller and at the same time it makes you look at the whole global warming thing in a different light.

Of course I'm not saying believe and go by the book as it is fiction but the main point of the book was that throughout history all forms of leadership have maintained a constant "State of Fear" over the populace by using different "end of humanity" scenarios.

As an above poster already mentioned Global Warming once completely accepted as true and caused by us would cause a natural rise in all kinds of taxes.
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It's real. I can't imagine anyone denies it still.
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