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Hi guys. I'am looking for experienced liquid cooling folks along with any wiring background if needed. I'am doing my first LCing Project in the making since May of this year (2011). I had some delays on some other LCing parts that I'am still working it out but anyways thats a whole other thread lol. I have a Swiftech MCP-35x (x2), EK DDC Dual Top V2, and Lamptron FC-5V2 Fan controller. I bought lots of parts for this project and one thing I did buy was some 4-pin (PWM) to 3-pin Fan Wires thinking I can connect the pumps to each of their own channel on the FC-5V2 controller (non-pwm) which is 30 watts per channel and have been told they can handle controlling a pump and I havn't found anyone with the same setup to see if this has worked or not. I'am also aware that the colored wires don't match up with the ones from the pumps and the fan wires. I have many questions nor am I a electrician and the last thing I need happening is me plugging them in and blowing them out. That would be a 200+ dollar and close to 300 if the controller went also. I hope some people who have experience in this can help me out please. I also saw and linked on the bottom of a video of a gentlemen modded his pump for his fan controller and if I have to modifiy anything I'am willing to learn and listen to someone who would give me their time and show me on how this all will work out. If not than I'am SoL and I will have to run them on 100% just for CPU cooling lawl (Before anyone asks I have lots of parts I bought so I won't have to buy it later on once I go GPU Cooling). Any experienced comments is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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You need to connect those pumps to motherboards cpu fan header if you want to control them, they are controlled by pwm signal which Lamptron controller doesn't output.
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I only have one PWM on my MB if I'am correct and don't want my motherboard controlling them but would like to control them myself through my controller. I'am willing to modify if someone can show me how OR do I need a actual Pump Controller and if I do what controller would that be?
Edited by GTXJackBauer - 10/31/11 at 4:33am
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You can connect both pumps to one header using a splitter like this : http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10..._AK-CB002.html. If you don't want to use motherboard fan header then you need a controller that can do PWM control. Aquaero 5 for example works.
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You have an Asus mobo. It's well worth trying out the Asus Fan Xpert for PWM control (with a splitter cable) as it has a number of presets and a user configurable one. Saves hassle if you find that it does what you need.
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And if you don't like motherboard to adjust speed automatically then you can use Speedfan in manual control mode, that's about same as having a knob on a controller.
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Thanks alot for the input guys. So there isn't any other way of wiring it to work with my controller? Like in the video as shown. I mean I jumped the gun a while ago when I purchased this controller thinking since I have enough watts per channel to do fans and put each pump on each of its own channel it would work fine and the fact that I can see the RPM/Temp/Volts on display, overall a great product if I can get the pumps working on this. But realizing theres a way to mod it for that to work w/out doing any damage. Also I've read that the PWM headers on the MB can only handle a few watts. I don't even think one will hold up let alone 2. I'll think I might damage the PWM Fan header. I'am down for anything but not the PWM on the MB route. I would love to use the 3 pin fan controller I'am stuck with now.
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When i first got my MCP355, i thought i might want to use it on a controller. Once i got it installed, i never touched it. I dont see why you feel you need to use a controller for anything other than extra outputs.

Beyond that, its easy to match the wires to the outputs, on the pump:
Blue=yellow rpm
Black=black ground
Yellow=red positive

Thats all you need to know. I believe it would be wired with the same standard as all fans are so you could just plug it in and not worry.
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Can't I just use the wires but not use the Green wire (PWM) from the pumps? to a 3 pin and plug that into the controller? Does anyone know if I don't use the PWM wire and regulate the Voltage through the controller will it damage the board on the MCP35x? From many sources I'am also hearing that the PWM on my board and most AS*S Boards don't work well or don't work at all. I really want to be able to control this physically and not rely on a MB. Its more convenient and I like to have full control of the situation externally and not to have to go into bios a bunch of times changing the speed. SpeedF*n sometimes works and sometime doesn't. I thought about this through and going software or MB (PWM) a while back and chose to go this route. Unfortunetly the MCP35xB (3pin RPM) came out not too long ago and way after I had bought the 2 (PWM) 35x pumps, and this is why I bought the Lamptron FC5V2 to control on Channel One with 6 Fans, Channel 2 Koolance Flow Meter (RPM), Channel 3 Pump 1 and Channel 4 Pump 2 along with water temp sensors. The only issue I have is getting these dam pumps working with this controller. Other than that this would be a success! lol (trying to be optimistic here)
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PWM uses pulse width modulation to control the speed of the pump by 'pulsing' the voltage. So, whether you use a manual control or the PWM, its still controlling it via voltage
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