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Speeders aren't the people I worry about on the road.

I fear slow, nervous and clueless drivers. Invent a gun that solves these issues I'll feel much safer on the road.

Driving slow often causes my mind to wander away from the task at hand, however if I drive to a point where I need to keep my eyes on the road I am much more alert and cautious.
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Just what they need. More expensive toys that are revenue generators.

"Let's spend 20mil on new cameras and have the tax payers pay for it. Then we will fine them when are cameras catch them."

When in reality this does nothing to help out public safety.

We are funding our own enslavement. Woohoo!!!
that's what cruise control is for!
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Broke it down to address easier...
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That's assuming I'm "OK" with speed cameras now. I'm not. Also, these cameras could also be used to track where you're traveling as well. Maybe not exactly where you're going but can say you went through this area at time X is not a comforting feeling.
I get what your saying, and they shouldn't be used for tracking purposed, although I doubt we can fully trust them not to. But the basic idea is sound and ok for me. A speed limit was created for a reason, safety. And enforcing that is fine to me. But I agree on tracking... Some nasty implications there.

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Also, anything that supports the police grid is helping them enslave us as it's always more regulations, more taxes, just more more more more more. And never anything less (except are freedoms). Just always getting pushed to the next step. When will people look at the things that are in place and step back and say... hey you know what, this really isn't working maybe we should stop wasting money on this and do something productive instead. However this is never the case.
I agree this is representative of many things, but this traffic camera not so much. Though the costs seems rather high, I'm sure they can get the money back in fines. And I don't like the idea of getting fine-happy... but in this particular circumstance, talking about speed limits and safety, I can justify it quite easily without feeling I'm being controlled. So as long as your a safe driver and follow the speed limits, you have nothing to worry about. And although particular numbers for the limits may be debatable, can we really say we'd want them gone altogether?

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And these revenue generators do not help me. At all. I paid for them to be put up, and they are there to take my money. No where does there revenue generating does that positively effect me. I don't feel one bit safer with those cameras there at all.
We collectively paid for them to be bought and installed, with the intent to increase safety for everyone collectively. I see nothing wrong with that as thats the ideal of government, everyone helping one another as a collective whole... though its gone awfully off course... But yea, its not installed to take your money, its installed to keep people safe. If your a person who does not care for the safety for others I don't care about your wallet. But in all seriousness, speed limits are for safety and there's nothing wrong with enforcing that particular law.

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And personally I think they are a driving hazard, as people are going to speed anyways so what they do is when they see one of these things they slam on their brakes to avoid a ticket which is never something you would want on a highway.
Then these people should get more than a ticket, they should get a suspension. They will refuse to abide by posted limits therefore increasing danger to everyone else on the road. They are a public hazard and should be removed. So yea, these things will simply enforce a safety measure thats very understandable and will be making it more safe for others. Lets just hope for circumstances like the one you wrote, law enforcement goes over the video for each offence to make sure this stuff isn't happening. There might be 2 threats this can take care of.

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So yea, though I think many things are overblown and many laws are not there to serve us, speed limits without a doubt are essential and needed safety measures. So I find nothing terribly wrong with this other than the possibility to be abused for tracking... If they can find some way of assuring us of this not taking place (which is unlikely, but they should try at least), I'd be ok with this...
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We get unemployment, social services, a police force, fire departments, basic health care, education. Thats where all this money is going. They can take the extra revenue generated from this and beef up policing, without having to increase taxes by same amount. So its not that its money not going into your pockets, its money thats going towards keeping money in our pockets.... same thing really... You want the same amount of money in your pockets or less? Thats the choice in this situation. So these "revenue-generators" are indeed helping you ever so slightly.
ummmm.... we probably wont be getting any social security i have never claimed unemployment, dont use healthcare, the cameras will eliminate police jobs, fire departments are good, education sucks not to mention they are cutting out funding for arts and physical education and sciences in schools(some of the most important areas). our government has one thing in mind: how can they keep more money in their pockets. the only reason we are sticking our nose in the middle east is because of oil. doing this has bankrupt our country. if someone is willing to die for their religion and their religion rewards them for killing infedels i will leave them the @#$% alone. we need to focus here in our own country instead of trying to be the bully in other countries.

you might not agree with me but its the truth. crashing our economy isnt the solution to helping theirs. thanks and gratitude dont pay the bills
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And these revenue generators do not help me. At all. I paid for them to be put up, and they are there to take my money. No where does there revenue generating does that positively effect me. I don't feel one bit safer with those cameras there at all.
I agree with this point... up to a point. I agree that these are just a revenue gathering excercise and do not really make anyone safer on the roads. What i disagree with is that they do not help in any way, shape or form. As someone already pointed out, they are a constant stream of income for the govt to pay for public services.

Whichever way you look at it, the government has to keep hospitals running, build schools, fix the roads etc. And everyone has to pay for it regardless of whether you think you get something out of it or not. Either increase taxes or catch out people breaking the law and fine them.

So if you don't speed, think of it as you getting a free ride of public services out of the pockets of those that do get caught by the cameras.
post #16 of 34
Red light intersections are bad enough. If I see these out on open highways I'll be the first one with a high powered rifle systematically destroying every single one. This is classic big brother crap. My friend just got a $500 ticket because he didn't come to a complete stop making a right turn on red. It was the middle of the night with no traffic... 98% of people run red lights on accident and the potential danger of a crash is a big enough deterrence to keep people from running lights on purpose. Cameras do not make any/big enough difference in safety to constitute the amount of money being robbed out of our pockets. It's sickening to hear stories from friends telling me they got a surprise $500 fine for running a red light they didn't even realize they ran!
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I agree with this point... up to a point. I agree that these are just a revenue gathering excercise and do not really make anyone safer on the roads. What i disagree with is that they do not help in any way, shape or form. As someone already pointed out, they are a constant stream of income for the govt to pay for public services.

Whichever way you look at it, the government has to keep hospitals running, build schools, fix the roads etc. And everyone has to pay for it regardless of whether you think you get something out of it or not. Either increase taxes or catch out people breaking the law and fine them.

So if you don't speed, think of it as you getting a free ride of public services out of the pockets of those that do get caught by the cameras.
If I have to rely on my government to keep my hospitals running then there is no hope for mankind.

This "constant stream" is exactly the problem! People don't run red lights on purpose without making sure they aren't going to hit someone unless they are A. Drunk or B. Mentally retarded. So the cameras are simply there to take advantage of a "constant stream" of honest mistakes.
post #18 of 34
There are more dangerous things than somebody going a little faster than the speed limit. I would like to see such things addressed, I thought about making an argument, but then it might be political...

Needless to say I ride a motorcycle, and speeding isn't the problem on the roads in America.
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The best way around this: close bumper drafting.
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Ugh... I don't need more ways to get caught.
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