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Boy, aren't you thick. Did you even read the synthetic part?

-snip

WHILE LOADING FLASH. Your synthetics show 1/3 faster, my real world results show otherwise.

Checkmate smile.gif

I agree with your assessments. Doing phone benchmarks is like computing 0-60 and 1/4 mile times by weight and horsepower of a car rather than doing them.

Real world is what matters.

OT: Yikes, I understand the desire to have product control but this is kinda silly. Apple could save face here by saying that they didnt want to load up their servers with all the 4 users before things were more stable, yadda yadda.
     
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post #112 of 151
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Why the outrage? Android users should be used to this sort of thing. When you buy an Android phone you're lucky if you receive ANY updates.

Oh wait, this is Apple we're talking about.
Since my iPhone 4S is still not delivered, I'm getting one of these.



Which devices are getting Ice Cream Sandwich? Let's find out:
http://www.engadget.com/updates/whic...ream-sandwich/

I wonder which company has a more challenging time updating devices?

The one with 1 phone to support, or the one with 100's with several manufacturers.

Yet, Apple still manages to WITHHOLD features from the iPhone 4 that can clearly run their latest app known as Siri. Gotta milk those loyalists, and force them to upgrade if they wish to use Siri.

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Originally Posted by steelbom View Post
The version on the App Store isn't the same as the version on the 4S. The company that developed Siri put their app on the App Store about two months before Apple acquired them. They decided to leave the App (which was free) on the store (rather than remove it) and only take it down when the version they worked on for about a year and half was ready to be launched.

Siri on the App Store was significantly slower and used more data to process commands. I assume it was also much more limited in what it could do.

2. That's true but I'm just making the point that a certain amount of all this "Apple sucks, withholding features", is due to it being Apple.
1. The "new" version runs perfectly fine on an iPhone 4.

2. You're right, Apple withholds features from their customers more often than any other company we know. Apple being Apple.

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Also the iP4s camera takes photos 2x as fast as the ip4 (even though the 4s photos are more data.

1.

Why would anyone say that the a5 isn't the new king of the block?
The new King of the block will be dethroned in just a matter of weeks. I present you with ZERO second shutter speed, start watching @ 42:00 minutes. It'll be a year before Apple even attempts to match this feat, the King was dethroned in a month.


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Boy, aren't you thick. Did you even read the synthetic part?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvp_X...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0802...eature=related

WHILE LOADING FLASH. Your synthetics show 1/3 faster, my real world results show otherwise.

Checkmate


Those other benchmarks shown are on "stock browsers" which aren't set up for Dual Cores. Cherry picked results are cherry picked, real world results are undeniable.

Not to mention that SEVERAL Android phones have HSPA+, LTE, 4"+ screens that don't break if dropped, PLUS many more options which Apple will "catch up" to in a year.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...and_Droid_RAZR

I would like to thank ForumViewer, Hellonwheels & Steelbom for the constant entertainment you guys bring to OCN. I love you guys.

Can you guys please comment in this thread, I truly look forward to your feedback, and value your opinions.
http://www.overclock.net/technology-...rg-bistro.html

One last thing: I had no idea Apple CREATED Siri. Last I checked they bought the App, but what do I know?


Edited by 2010rig - 11/5/11 at 2:48am
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SGSII still renders websites faster then the 4s. Kinda shows you that real world performance is more meaningful then synthetics.
It's got a 400MHz faster processor, you'd hope it would but it is actually slower in many of the tests you posted below.
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Boy, aren't you thick. Did you even read the synthetic part?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvp_X...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0802...eature=related

WHILE LOADING FLASH. Your synthetics show 1/3 faster, my real world results show otherwise.

Checkmate
I watched both. The first video the iPhone 4S won by half a second or so on most tests. The second was a terrible comparison, especially in the third test. The iPhone 4S came ahead ever so slightly once, and the SGS2 once.
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Yet, Apple still manages to WITHHOLD features from the iPhone 4 that can clearly run their latest app known as Siri. Gotta milk those loyalists, and force them to upgrade if they wish to use Siri.

1. The "new" version runs perfectly fine on an iPhone 4.

2. You're right, Apple withholds features from their customers more often than any other company we know. Apple being Apple.
What on earth demands that they give Siri to iPhone 4 users? Why do they have to do this? They spent a year and a half on Siri why should they give it away freely for iPhone 4 users?

2) No, the only reason this is getting attention, is because it's Apple. Apple supports your older phones with newer software significantly longer than Google does Android, so...
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Those other benchmarks shown are on "stock browsers" which aren't set up for Dual Cores. Cherry picked results are cherry picked, real world results are undeniable.
Whilst I think it would be good for comparisons with other browsers which do show improved performance, it is fair to test it again the stock browser. You'd most definitely be calling Apple out on having a slower browser than third party browsers if that was the case.

Oh by the way, the 4S takes photos just as fast. I can tap, tap, tap, at the same rate he does and it takes the photo. (I just did, in fact.) Apple boasted "zero shutter lag" at the Keynote.

I do like the look of that phone, it looks pretty good. If I ever got a droid I would only ever get one from Google.
PS: Do they have an equivalent to the iPod touch that runs ICS? I'd like to play around with Android but I'm not forking out the cash for a phone.
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Does this really surprise anyone?
Not even slightly.
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Oh by the way, the 4S takes photos just as fast. I can tap, tap, tap, at the same rate he does and it takes the photo. (I just did, in fact.) Apple boasted "zero shutter lag" at the Keynote.
In the keynote, they actually boasted 1.1 second for 1st photo, 0.5s for 2nd, but hey, who's counting? OH that's right, Apple is, I just noticed how exaggerated they made their graphs lol.



That's not zero shutter lag, but I'll take YOUR word for it though.

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Do they have an equivalent to the iPod touch that runs ICS? I'd like to play around with Android but I'm not forking out the cash for a phone.
AFAIK, Android manufacturers don't turn their phones into iPod's music players.

The HTC Rezound might interest you, since it comes with Beats Audio but again, it's a phone.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/h...ound-unveiled/

You can always sell your iPhone 4S and buy a Galaxy Nexus.

I'll let you know my review when I get mine, I promise, it won't be biased.

OT: I still haven't got the 4S, I actually wanted to play with it just so I could have a hands on experience with both, and truly say I had both to play with before making my final decision.

Pretty sure the Nexus would still win in the end, due to the bigger screen, flexibility, Ice Cream Sandwich looks delicious, I find IOS boring. Plus, I can't get over the fact that the iPhone 4S screen is the same size as my iPod's, and browsing the web on that is so painful.
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It's got a 400MHz faster processor, you'd hope it would but it is actually slower in many of the tests you posted below.

I watched both. The first video the iPhone 4S won by half a second or so on most tests. The second was a terrible comparison, especially in the third test. The iPhone 4S came ahead ever so slightly once, and the SGS2 once.
Just to give you a heads up, most of the results were within standard human error of each other aside from the test with the SGSII rendering flash as well. I don't know if you have done any research papers, but the conclusion would state that both phones are directly on par.

When we consider that the stock browser is anywhere between 1.5-3 times slower then firefox or opera mini, we are looking at a strong lead for the SGS II. Sorry, but the only thing that is going for the 4S is the camera and GPU, which sadly, the GPU hasn't been used to its full potential yet. With Tegra 3 just around the corner, titles that make use of the GPUs capability are actually going to exist.

Doesn't matter if the CPU is at a slower clock speed. Fact of the matter is, is that it is still slower then hardware released over half a year before its release. Hardware doesn't really matter in the end, it is the performance and how it is used that counts.
Edited by Domino - 11/5/11 at 3:34am
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What on earth demands that they give Siri to iPhone 4 users? Why do they have to do this? They spent a year and a half on Siri why should they give it away freely for iPhone 4 users?
Siri is a very minor piece of software that has been proven to work on the original device. Since the iPhone4 has the power to run Siri, there is no reason why not to.

Remember Vista and Win7? Vista has DX11 support. Why give a dated OS a new API? But they did.
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Siri is a very minor piece of software that has been proven to work on the original device. Since the iPhone4 has the power to run Siri, there is no reason why not to.

Remember Vista and Win7? Vista has DX11 support. Why give a dated OS a new API? But they did.
You're now comparing Apples to Oranges.
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You're now comparing Apples to Oranges.
Can you give me a DX10/10.1 feature that is similar to tessellation and or features that actually improve performance significantly? Some DX11 titles show improve frame rendering performance as oppose to DX9/10. It isn't Apples to Oranges.

No reason why Siri should not be ported to the 4. It doesn't even need to be ported. lol
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LOL, it went over your head.

Apple's to Oranges, get it? Pun intended. This is what Apple does best.

I agree there's absolutely no reason that they would keep it away from the iPhone 4, except of course to force iPhone 4 owners to side grade if they want SIRI.

I said this originally when we found out that Apple killed off the original SIRI app:
http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...dy-killed.html

The usual suspects chimed in with many claims, including that the hardware on the iPhone 4 couldn't run it, some went as far as saying that SIRI was very GPU dependant, or that the A5 made all the difference.
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